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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2006, 10:32:44 AM »
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Hang,I thought the riots were all about youth employment laws, or at least laws making it difficult for the French youth to obtain work, I didn't realise there was a religeous undertone.
I understand there is a great deal of unrest regarding Muslims in France, but I didnt think this incident was related.

 


I saw very few 'french' rioters on film shown here.. could be I'm mistaken. Another reason I need straffo's input.

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2006, 10:41:58 AM »
Apparently, some deliquent elements are taking advantage of the situation to get their rioting itch scratched. Even way out here in the tropical island Department.

Today I was studying in the uni's library, and there was some pretty loud partying right at the building's foot... by High School students.. they were dancing to the CPE law's junking, on the University's campus, with barely a handful of Uni students participating, by blasting music loud enough that everyone in the lib shuffled and turned in irritation, but nothing got done, no complaints were made because they're limp as sheep.

Usual hen house dynamics.
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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2006, 11:10:52 AM »
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The one thing I most value out of all the education I got, was one teacher in Toronto who emphasized brief problem solving exercises... I think by the second year with him (something like 6th grade), we were solving another class' (that was two or three years older) problems quicker than them, when they did manage to solve them.
That teacher was really one of the best I had, and I've moved a lot.  It wasn't any specific ideology, just generic memory and logic flexing.


Was this via word/picture memorization association?

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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2006, 01:32:49 PM »
That sort of stuff was more common in France.  One teacher had us memorize (among other things) this really long poem on liberty, something like 6 or 7 pages written in our medium sized paper notebooks.
Very dry stuff most of the time..

In Toronto, that teacher would dig up anything and everything, basicaly.  The same way they teach you explicitely, in adult engineering courses, to think outside the box, boil down problems to their simplest mechanic, yadda yadda, he was inducing us into doing it instinctively, basic street smarts sharpened with as much discipline as he could while keeping it simple and fun.
It was anything from folklore riddles or more sophisticated stuff like that Einstein riddle (not that one specificaly, but that sort of syntax), to finding obvious flaws in newspaper articles, to playing that game where small groups had to find matched pairs of cards (turned upside down) with only one try allowed at a time.. There weren't any strict rules as long as we made an effort to tackle harder problems or find new solutions.
It was flexing our mental muscle, never limiting it to a single approach or context or type of problem/solution.. he'd walk around and talk really casually, and most of the time there was a hint or part of the solution hidden in some off topic comment.
Other teachers had other ways, like book reading and comprehension competitions.  I remember that came down to me and this ubersnob chick, and I won it for the prankster team.. at something like 2.5 books a day for a week.
But that one teacher's problem solving games were the best.
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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2006, 03:23:35 PM »
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That sort of stuff was more common in France.  One teacher had us memorize (among other things) this really long poem on liberty, something like 6 or 7 pages written in our medium sized paper notebooks.
Very dry stuff most of the time..

In Toronto, that teacher would dig up anything and everything, basicaly.  The same way they teach you explicitely, in adult engineering courses, to think outside the box, boil down problems to their simplest mechanic, yadda yadda, he was inducing us into doing it instinctively, basic street smarts sharpened with as much discipline as he could while keeping it simple and fun.
It was anything from folklore riddles or more sophisticated stuff like that Einstein riddle (not that one specificaly, but that sort of syntax), to finding obvious flaws in newspaper articles, to playing that game where small groups had to find matched pairs of cards (turned upside down) with only one try allowed at a time.. There weren't any strict rules as long as we made an effort to tackle harder problems or find new solutions.
It was flexing our mental muscle, never limiting it to a single approach or context or type of problem/solution.. he'd walk around and talk really casually, and most of the time there was a hint or part of the solution hidden in some off topic comment.
Other teachers had other ways, like book reading and comprehension competitions.  I remember that came down to me and this ubersnob chick, and I won it for the prankster team.. at something like 2.5 books a day for a week.
But that one teacher's problem solving games were the best.


Ah, gotcha. Very good...he was teaching to find an answer, rather than get frustrated by not trying...a lesson in psychology! :)  Sounds like an excellent instructor!

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« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
Bluedog --

Sorry, I took it as directed at me.  I dislike the knee-jerk French bashers with a passion, and get a little fiesty when lumped in with them.  :)

The whole retards and buttholes thing was of course supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek exaggeration - but I do see general rioting against your neighbor's car as different than throwing excessively government-tariffed tea into the harbor, although you're right that some Americans' property was probably destroyed too and goes unmentioned in American history books.  

As for the revolution part, you compared it to the American revolution.  I just threw the "socialist" part in myself - you never said that. I did, because that's exactly what these rioters want - government protection and control over the free market hiring process.  

As for the American vs French on this board aspect, go ahead and call our LA rioters "buttholes" and "retards."  If our pro-illegal protesters start burning things in the coming weeks, I'll call them far worse.

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2006, 05:14:14 AM »
Moot, you'll be happy to know that the canadian teaching methods are highly regarded here now. Almost all my wife's pedagogy books come from Quebeq.

Hang, I wonder if the footage that you've seen doesn't come from previous riots. From what I've seen here, it wasn't that bad and young immigrants weren't pointed as causing much violence.
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