Author Topic: Are we benefitting from the abortions? (Read 2161 times)

Igloo · « **Reply #45 on:** October 10, 2000, 07:43:00 PM »

Well, if you were worried about playing God, you wouldn't execute anyone.

"Thou shalt not kill", remember?

Not "Thou shalt not kill anyone, except those who commit terrible crimes, those ones are ok..."

Contridictions abound...

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Cabby · « **Reply #46 on:** October 10, 2000, 09:19:00 PM »

It's "Thou Shalt Not Murder from the Hebrew. And if you equate executing Murderers with flushing an un-born child down the toilet, well, what can i say.....

Cabby

Toad · « **Reply #47 on:** October 10, 2000, 10:07:00 PM »

Well, Cab, it's like this.

For example, if you MURDER a husband and wife and their two young kids in a gruesome, painful way because you want to boff the wife and drive the car, then society might convict your sorry butt and send you to prison for the rest of your life.

You should not suffer any deprivation, however. Three squares, a cell with a decent bed, cable TV, workout equipment, law libraries so you can clog the courts with "how I was done wrong" petitions...all of that and more.

If you can make it as a guardhouse lawyer, you may even get out of the life sentence and earn parole.

All the while, your anti-Death Penalty friends will be watching to make sure mean old society doesn't pick on you too hard. Despite eyewitnesses, DNA proof, stop action/instant replay security cameras or whatever. You're a piece of human garbage but we love you enough to keep you around.

However, if you're say...an unlucky 25 week old unborn human (the US Supreme Court thinks you are a "viable human") whose mother is say...16 years old, it's open season on your little butt.

Your Mom has "pediatric indications". That means that while she's old enough to screw her boyfriend, she's just too young to have a baby. It also is an officially "legitimate" approved reason for the Doc to slip you 90% out of your happy home and slap a scissors into the back of your head. He'll then suck your brains out with a vacuum and sell them for tissue research. (BTW, your Mom gets none of the cash. The doc pockets most of it and it's a nice chunk nowadays.)

After all...your MOM is entitled to a CHOICE.

..and society can't possibly afford to raise you in a foster home or orphange or something like that. Well, something maybe even like the murderer gets...sorry, just can't. You gotta go.

The best part is that those very same people that will hold candlelight vigils and petition the courts to keep the guy who murdered the family alive........

just don't give a sh*t about you!

Now, Cab...does that clear this up a bit?

StSanta · « **Reply #48 on:** October 11, 2000, 03:42:00 AM »

Geesh.

I think I am outta this debate - if you cannot get the simplest of definitions straight, what's the point of debating?

You must send me money, btw, because I am an unborn God.

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Igloo · « **Reply #49 on:** October 11, 2000, 11:05:00 AM »

I am against the death penalty, but I also think that the prisons need to wake up and stop treating criminals so good. They should have a concrte cell, concrete bed with a sheet or two depending on the temperature. Three meals a day, but only the basics of food. And most of all, no luxeries. Right now the prison system is a joke. Especially the Canadian female branch.

I've never read the Hebrew Bible, but the Christian Bible says "Thou shalt not kill". Not that one is more right than the other.

As I've said before, abortions should not be used as a last step for birth control. If your 13 y/o daughter is old enough to take on the responsibility of having sex, then she is old enough to bear the responsibilties that come thereafter (the parents are at fault here as well). But if your daughter is raped and pregnated, that is a different story all together and the right to abortion should be there.

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Dowding · « **Reply #50 on:** October 11, 2000, 02:59:00 PM »

Toad - Prison should not be easy, I agree.

However, have you ever been in jail, for any length of time? I'm just interested in your view that is in some way easy. Let me just highlight a few experiences described to me by family who have been 'inside':

1) You get a wash once a week
2) You might spend alot of your time trying not to be bopped up the bellybutton by some nonce
3) Or beaten up repeatedly for f**k all
4) Inside 4-walls 23 hours a day
5) Until recently, in UK prisons you used to have to use a bucket and 'slop' out every morning

I wouldn't call any of that easy, by my standards anyway. You might say it isn't hard enough, but until you have all your rights taken away you'll never know.

I'm not against imprisonment, BTW - 'if you can't do the time...' etc etc etc.

Igloo - I agree with what you say. Abortions shouldn't be used instead of birth control, and I personally think that abortion before 2 months is acceptable. Abortion after rape - can't see why anyone would want to refuse the victim the choice.

I wish I lived in the black and white world some of you seem to inhabit.

As for 'playing god' - do you live in a cave or something, reliant on the hand that nature deals you? Do you refuse all medical treatment when you're sick? Surely the doctors are 'playing god', as are all judges, juries and the police? They seem to know when life should end.

We've been playing god for thousands of years - deciding who lives, who dies is a good example.

Toad · « **Reply #51 on:** October 11, 2000, 10:15:00 PM »

Like it or not, once Pandora's box is opened things like that happen. Particularly in the US where the right number of $ will convince some doctor to justify it.

So how many will you guys ignore? How many does it take to get your attention?

One?

A thousand?

Six million?

Dowding · « **Reply #52 on:** October 12, 2000, 07:20:00 AM »

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Six million?

What are you implying?

What are we being accused of ignoring?

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Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** October 12, 2000, 03:51:00 PM »

Well, let's see...

I look around the US and the world and I see a pretty large and vocal group that wants to restrict firearms in many ways...even though there isn't a single shred of proof that these programs work at all, let alone that they are as effective as something like Project Exile.

I look around the US and the world and I see a pretty large and vocal group that feels warehousing irrefutably proven and convicted murderers (note: not all fit this description. Some, however, are guilty beyond even the tiniest bit of doubt) for the rest of their natural lives is fine and hang the expense.

I look around the US and the world and I see a pretty large and vocal group that feels "a woman must have CHOICE", no matter what the extent and duration of her pregnancy.

I just wonder when there's going to be a loud and vocal group that stands up and yells "Hey! It's WRONG to stick a scissors into the skull of a 95% delivered, 25 week old viable human fetus!"

Because all I see now is people who say..."Golly gee...I'm just slightly uncomfortable with that...I wish it would just go away."

Where is the outrage?

Dowding · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2000, 09:06:00 AM »

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I just wonder when there's going to be a loud and vocal group that stands up and yells "Hey! It's WRONG to stick a scissors into the skull of a 95% delivered, 25 week old viable human fetus!"

I agree, abortions should not be performed at such a late stage (I get the feeling I've said this before). Also, it ain't a foetus at 25 weeks, it is a baby.

Basically, it sounds to me like you want everyone to share your views, values and opinions. Any opinion that might contradict yours is simply invalid.

There is outrage - you just happen to disagree with it.

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** October 13, 2000, 11:42:00 PM »

Nope, as you and others have so correctly pointed out it would be a pretty boring world if we all liked the same things.

I don't mind opinions that contradict mine one bit. I am much more impressed and MUCH more likely to be swayed by opinions that can be backed by fact, however.

...and there's the problem. I haven't seen to awfully many "liberal" positions in the O-Club backed by anything more than personal opinion, unjustified faith in the "better angels of human nature", wishful thinking or dreams of a "better world".

Wonderful, admirable thoughts indeed. So far from demonstrable fact and hard-nosed uncaring reality.

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StSanta · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2000, 06:09:00 AM »

Toad, sort of like calling a fetus an unborn baby, eh?

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Toad · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2000, 09:27:00 AM »

Santa, talk to Dowding, your fellow traveler.

Dowding: Also, it ain't a foetus at 25 weeks, it is a baby.