gun advice

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by SMIDSY
im willing to take the chance of dying. i will not kill somebody if i can avoid it. that does not meen i will not kill in self defence, i would just rather the guy not die.

Then you do not need to be packing.

Simply put, you never clear the holster in a situtation unless you're going to shoot to kill.  Double-tap center mass and a third between the headlights.

If you want something to brandish about get one of those fire extinguisher sized cans of pepper spray or a tazer.  Better yet, get new friends before this one drags you to the Gray Bar Hotel or worse.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Arlo
At least gimme a wager that's got a slim chance.

[Hornet33]

If your going to cary a gun then you need to be ready to USE it. If you have to use it then you have to be ready to kill with it. A big scarry looking gun is of no value, because that only gives you a false sense of intimidation. You have to be ready to put every round through the 10 ring right after the thing leaves the holster. You DO NOT pull a gun to scare someone. You pull a gun to kill someone. Plain and simple.

I hate to say it but you want one for all the wrong reasons, and I'm afraid that the way you might try and use it will just get you or someone else hurt or killed in the process.

[eagl]

What hornet said.  Guns aren't for scaring people, they're for killing things.  If you pull a gun and aren't completely comitted to actually USING it, you are far better off not having one at all.

Advice above about getting a can of mace instead is pretty good.  If you don't bring a lethal weapon into the mix, you're more likely to end up with a "simple" beating.  Bring a weapon that you aren't willing to use, and you're gonna end up dead.

[MrBill]

ok, i need something for personal defence in the near future. i dont want something that is too small, because i would rather scare the guy off than kill him (if ya kill him, he wont learn nuthin). also, money is an issue.

I did not read this thread yet (I will) but I would hope that you have gotten some good advice.
Given the above statement you do not need a gun ... Get a dog.

Guns (handguns) are not to SCARE people they are to kill people. If you are not fully 100% committed to the fact that you use it the moment you show, it then you should not have it.

Never shoot to kill ... shoot to live, and shoot with no hesitation, no thought, and no lip service!!!!

The moment your hand touches your gun SOMEONE is going out in a bag, end of story!

Money is an issue??? where are you going to come up with the cash to put the number of rounds through it to become deadly enough, and safe enough, to justify owning it?  I'm assuming here that you live in a city, stray rounds, through lack of practice, can become a heavy burden if they hit the neighbor or some other innocent.

Think well before you take the next step, and be safe with whatever you decide.

[lazs2]

One point tho...  guns are used in the U.S. 1.5-3 million times a year to stop a crime... the vast majority of the time the gun is never fired.

That does not mean that I would recomend that anyone buy a gun with the idea that they will use it to "scare" someone or "shoot to wound"

If you pull a gun on someone you have to go in with the idea that you will shoot whatever part of him is the easiest to hit and you will keep shooting him until he is not longer a threat to anyone.

Most people will not face a gun.   They will sudenly become polite, model citizens when facing an armed "victim".

Some drugged out or violent criminals will tho.   You only need to read the "armed citizen" a few months in the NRA "American Rifleman" or some of Marshals stuff to realize that there are crazies out there that guns don't scare very much.

lazs

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by eagl
What hornet said.  Guns aren't for scaring people, they're for killing things.  If you pull a gun and aren't completely comitted to actually USING it, you are far better off not having one at all.

Advice above about getting a can of mace instead is pretty good.  If you don't bring a lethal weapon into the mix, you're more likely to end up with a "simple" beating.  Bring a weapon that you aren't willing to use, and you're gonna end up dead.

Scaring has its place.  I had a store in Alaska that was broken into a few times at night.  I camped out at the store and one dawn I woke up to noise.  As I stepped around the back of the store I saw a couple of guys heading into the woods 50 yards away.  They weren’t looking at me so I fired a round into the ground and then immediately pointed the gun at them.  They looked my direction and figured they’d just been shot at, and ran.  I yelled something like, “I won’t miss next time *&%s!”.  I think word got around amongst their kind because our business was punk free from then on.

[Dago]

Some good advice, but also,some nonsense being posted by a few  internet heros.      laz2 offers good info.

Home defense - dog/shotgun/pistol  in that order.

For concealed carry purposes - a small frame large caliber handgun, but only if you have practiced a lot with it and are confident you can handle it in a high stress situation.  Get training and take classes on the legality of carry/using it, and when to use it.

Often enough, the mere showing of the weapon and your willingness to use it will be a deterent to a would be assailant.  That being said, if you show it, and the assailant doesnt flee, be prepared to use it immediately and if you have to shoot someone, shoot to kill.  

If you actually have to shoot someone, it is more about shot placement than it is caliber.  Practice practice practice and get the knowledge about legalities.

That would be my advice.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by SMIDSY
i dont want something that is too small, because i would rather scare the guy off than kill him (if ya kill him, he wont learn nuthin).  

You might wanna re think this one.
If youi not prepared to take a life to save your own you should let someone else protect you like the police.


And understand that most crackhead thugs will not think twice about bustin a cap in yo arse so you dont owe them anthing.

Here would be my choices. any45acp 40cal 10mm.
Sling a heavy bullet and bad guy goes down.

Remember the airforce dude that was shot by the cop a couple months ago?
He was hit three times at very close range with a 9mm and lived .

[J_A_B]

What you need is one of these:










Jokes aside, you sound like someone who should NOT be carrying a pistol.

J_A_B

[Furball]

sounds like you need a new friend, not a new gun.

[moneyguy]

Originally posted by J_A_B
What you need is one of these:










Jokes aside, you sound like someone who should NOT be carrying a pistol.

J_A_B

thats funny right there!!      

[moneyguy]

i carry a Glock 22. its .40 cal, does the job. Glock 23 is a lil smaller, same caliber though. good  bang for the buck and reliable too.

think about what your doing if you buy one, check local laws regarding the use of deadly force. i use mine do defend myself against people who want to make me dead. not that im a bad guy, i work for an armored car company. the only time you should draw a pistol on someone is when you believe you or someone else is in immenent danger of serious injury or death. not to scare someone or intimidate someone. that'll get ya thrown in the clink for brandishing a firearm. if you pull it, be prepared to use it.



enough rambling for me, think about it before you buy one.

[Leslie]

This sounds like a tough situation.  With it being your best friend, and because he is involved in something illegal.  You haven't said drugs, but seems like people get killed over that more than most things, especially in a disagreement or rip-off.

It's gonna be hard to have a somewhat peaceful life in these circumstances...always must be alert, and being paranoid goes with the territory.  What I'm getting from your post is you are concerned something may happen while you're hanging out with your friend, even though you are not directly involved with the illegal activity.  If your friend is a drug dealer (and I'm not saying he is), but maybe you guys get together and smoke a joint every now and then at your place.  If that's the case, you are responsible for what goes on in your house, and you are responsible for your, and everyone else's safety in your house.  That's the only place you have some control over what goes on.  Outside the boundary of your house, on the street, there's not much you can do except to avoid places where trouble might happen.  And avoid being with indiscrete people.  If drugs are what's involved, very, very few people are discrete, and will get you in trouble.

You haven't said, but have implied, you are expecting some sort of confrontation in the near future with bad folks.  You need to defend yourself in that event, and seek advice on guns.  For the home, which is the only place you have some control, a pump shotgun gives a warning sound which most people recognize and heed.  If you find yourself in a situation not of your making, (your friend is at your house and someone follows him to your place) and you see or hear trouble brewing, you can rack the shotgun from another room.  If you have to use it, it is effective.

I do not recommend carrying a handgun unless you are going to take on the role of bodyguard for your friend.  I would not want to be in such a situation.  Take under advisement, if you do this and use the gun to scare them off, they will come after you and confront you when you are least expecting them.

Good luck, and do not carry a gun in this case unless you believe your life to be in imminent danger.  I knew a guy once who thought someone was after him.  He was involved in drugs.  He took it seriously enough to leave town and went to Africa for merc training.  He lasted three weeks and came home after he got sick with the trots.  He found he didn't have a stomach for killing either, but he went there to learn how to, if he had to at some point in his life.




Les