Left turn.

[BlueJ1]

Last time I checked humping dolphins is now tuna safe.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Gooss
What's the big deal?

That looks like the 605/10 interchange in east LA County (San Gabriel Valley).

Other fine examples of civil engineering abound throughout California.  

My guess is that Russian engineers studied in California.

HONK!
Gooss

Yah.. but that's a 'stacked' interchange.. you can do it goin 90.

The russian one is all one flat mess.

[Mr Big]

I can't tell much from that illustration.

Is it to scale/ what's the scale?

It would all depend on traffic signs and scale.

Texas does have stupid highways though.

[BlueJ1]

I see two traffic lights at places I have no clue how it would work.

Whats the suicide rate od that place?

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Boroda
This left turn from Rozanov street to Khoroshovskoe highway in Moscow is described as "intuitively understandable" or "subconsciously comprehended", I can't find a right translation, hope you understand.



This is a part of a "Third transport ring" in Msk, it was built in 1997-2002. I wonder what designers smoked to invent this. Other junctions are no better, but this one is an apotheosis of idiocy. A tiny railway line on the map is in fact a HUGE railway hub with maybe 100 tracks.

Disclaimer: I don't drive. I hope I explained one of the reasons why.

"There are times like this, where taking LSD has helped me during my professional career."

BTW, I never understood how Estel negotiated through this on the way to the airport.

He's my ****ing hero for figuring this 1 out.

Wolf

[Shuckins]

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

[eskimo2]

I count 10 possible wrong turns/exits a person could make.  

I grew up and learned to drive in Alaska before the first clover leaf was built.  I still don't like any kind of interchange since I'm used to simple two lane roads meeting two lane roads with or without a light.  The more urban and traveled roads in Alaska are paved.  My mother remembers when there was only one paved street in all of Anchorage.

[lukster]

Here's the 190/75 interchange not far from where I live completed about 10 years ago.
http://www.texasfreeway.com/Dallas/photos/north_dallas_aerial/images/190_75_B_hres.jpg

Here's a live video feed of a much larger interchange recently completed in Dallas at 635/75 called the "high 5".

http://www.highfivecam.com/index_cam_2.htm

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Wolfala
BTW, I never understood how Estel negotiated through this on the way to the airport.

He's my ****ing hero for figuring this 1 out.

This junction is on the way from SVO to hotel Ukraine. Probably the place where the driver who took you to the airport lost his way.

The roads that meet there: Third Ring, Khoroshovskoe highway, Rosanov street, Begovaya bridge, Mokeyeva str., Year 1905 street, Polikarpov str plus some small roads parallel to the railway station.

Now they have built another junction like that on the next crossing of Third Ring (Begovaya str/Suschevsky Wall) and Leningrad avenue. They still didn't run out of drugs

[eagl]

It's all about the $$$.

Sensors at the right spot will "prove" high utilization on multiple major roads, leading to more $$$ funneled into that region (city?  state?) road fund.

Yea it's just a guess, but I know for a fact that this sort of thing happened in Calif before things really got out of control and they didn't have to resort to tricks to prove that the road system was overwhelmed.  Without these sorts of games played early on in Calif history, the freeway congestion in Calif cities would be much worse than it is today.  My grandfather was the lead engineer/manager on a system of roads around San Francisco.  He had a big budget, so he planned the freeway from the beginning to be "safe" at 70 mph in the rain, even though most cars at that time could barely reach 80 at the top end.  What that decision meant in the long run, even though it was derided as wasteful at the time, is that later they could expand those roads from 2 or 3 lanes to 4-6 lanes each direction, and still keep them safe at the higher speeds we see today (70+).

Compare that to some freeways through other major cities where the max speed is 45-55 because the turns are too tight, and the extra expense 40 years ago makes a heck of a lot of sense now.  Took some guts to do it back then but of course people were a lot more optimistic then too, even during the worst parts of the cold war.

[Boroda]

In Moscow the problem is that in fact it's a big village that's over 850 years old.

The city was built in circles. Inner circle: Kremlin, a citadel. Then - a Chinese-town (Kitay-gorod), another brick wall, only a little lower, then - White town, Ground town, both having their own walls. Kitay-gorod wall was almost completely destroyed in the 1930s, it was incompatible with modern traffic. The last wall was built in XVIII century, "Kamer-Kollezhskiy val", Moscow Circular Railway is now on top of it, and it remained a city border until maybe 1945.

So we have this stupid radial structure, unlike any modern city we suffer from heritage of the times when the city had to defend from Tatar nomads and neighbouring princes. Kremlin was buit as it is now in 1400-1550. So the Kitay-Gorod walls and streets that follow the old wall lines.

And now officially we have 10 million people living here, it's obviously an underestimation, at least 18 million by the subway statistics, some sources say that we have up to  27 million people living in this village...

[Hangtime]

and we were "this" close to doing you the favor....

[Boroda]

So far you guys did your favour to 2 million Vietnamese. No, thanks, we'll prefer Tatars, at least they are sane, regardless to the fact that they burnt several cities, certainly, due to misunderstanding, just as what we have now. At least at that time walls could help... After 800 years of living together we understand what they need and mean.

It's 06:00 now here in Msk, and Rossiya TV channel shows a long-forgotten film, "17th Trans-Atlantic", about a PQ-17 convoy, maybe I'll stop typing and go watch it?

Dialogue from a film:

British advisor in Rejkjavik: "You doubt the success of ours?" (speaks in broken Russian)

Soviet captain: "I have no way to doubt, I need to make it."...

Anotther quote, translated from Eng: "He says he sails for 30 years and believes only in Jamaikian rum"

BTW, actors speaking Eng have no severe Russian accent like in "Convoy PQ-17" mini-series made a year ago.