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Offline tapakeg

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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2006, 08:31:21 AM »
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Do these guys have quotas or something?




A friend of mine worked the servie counter at a dealer.  Great sales job, they come to you.  Anyway, he did make a comission on what he upsold.  Boss would come in and give random quota's.  X amount of oil changes today, I'll give you $50.  X amount of brake jobs this week, I'll give you $100.

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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2006, 09:32:32 AM »
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Will the software do the same as the dealer?  Insist you have >insert leaking part/seal/etc< and *must* have it done?  Turning a $29 service turn into a $1,200 one?

Friend went thru that with his Chevy truck.  Went in for some sort of recall service, the tech comes out with 3 pages of things that "should be" fixed.  He declines but asks for that list of "issues".  Takes truck to his usual mechanic who informs him the tech was commission hunting.  Do these guys have quotas or something?


Kinda sorta. 95% of dealership employees that you see are on commission. Even the oil change & lube techs are commission. The only people that are not are office clerical, warehouse, & maintenance staff. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're rare.

I'll go out on a limb here, and say you're more likely to get screwed during repairs than when you buy a new car. When you buy the car, you've got the salesman, their manager, the finance rep, and the GM who want to screw you. When you get a repair, you've got the service writer, service manager, mechanic, parts counterperson, and parts manager hoping your car is as broken as possible since they all get a piece of the pie to varying degrees. Also, they get paid more off of "customer pay" repair jobs than warranty repair jobs, at least with Toyota (others may not, but I doubt it).

Warranty work depends on the service manager & service writer. Some will warranty next to nothing (and make more $$), some will warranty damn near anything. It depends on their mood, how much they're gonna make that month, customer attitude, etc, etc.


edit: Rip, I see the car calling in a parts order as very beneficial to my business. People already don't show up for maintenance, even after they've come in and had the part ordered themselves. If the car calls in something beyond normal, heavily stocked maintenance part, it will serve as another method to build up a parts department's obsolesence. It's one of my family business niche markets, and I may just score a few points off of it :) There's 2 problems with it though... there is no standard software for dealerships, there's 3 major brands (2 still based on old solaris systems & the same front ends for the last 5 years), and now dozens of small startups that just popped up in the last few years. Second, out of the 20k dealerships in the nation, there are still hundreds without any computers at all.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2006, 01:13:34 PM »
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We are adults and we should know and accept the risk in driving. It is not the state's responsibility to protect us. If you can't accept the risk involved in driving then don't drive.


You do not have a right to exceed the speed limit nor to ignore other posted lights and signs.

If a tracking device will reduce moving violations, I'm all for it.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2006, 02:35:03 PM »
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The cars that the drunks drive would be in better condition just prior to the crash.

50% drunk driving, 17% speeding, 8% right of way, 8% crossing center line, running a stop sign, 2.6% improper passing 2.5%,... vehicle condition is a minor percentage of accident cause.

Are the accidents really so thoroughly invetigated? How can you know afterwards if poor suspension or brakes have been the cause or contributing factor? Is every accident resulting from improper modification listed as being caused by vehicle condition, and not something else? From personal experience I can say that I've never seen as much vehicles in dangerous mechanical condition or improperly modified as in the US.

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2006, 02:38:22 PM »
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You do not have a right to exceed the speed limit nor to ignore other posted lights and signs.

If a tracking device will reduce moving violations, I'm all for it.

How would this differ from, say, police cameras in high crime neighborhoods? If police cameras are proven to reduce crime by tracking high drug traffic and violence-prone areas, (and considering that we do not have a right to deal drugs or shoot someone at our leisure) why would you not be for them?

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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2006, 02:46:30 PM »
I can't really believe all this whining about screwing dealerships. When you are a representative of a company, you can't make service and repairs like Bubba does. If a defective part is found the customer needs to be informed and the part needs to be changed. If you don't want quality service, then take your car to Bubba.

Besides all the extra repairs are a pain in the bellybutton for the dealerships. They make the best profit out of basic service and brake jobs.
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2006, 02:47:55 PM »
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How would this differ from, say, police cameras in high crime neighborhoods? If police cameras are proven to reduce crime by tracking high drug traffic and violence-prone areas, (and considering that we do not have a right to deal drugs or shoot someone at our leisure) why would you not be for them?

Maybe because it would also violate the privacy of people who are not making these crimes?

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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2006, 04:03:50 PM »
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How would this differ from, say, police cameras in high crime neighborhoods? If police cameras are proven to reduce crime by tracking high drug traffic and violence-prone areas, (and considering that we do not have a right to deal drugs or shoot someone at our leisure) why would you not be for them?


There is no shortage of surveillance equipment in public areas.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2006, 04:32:42 PM »
I'm really shocked that Chairboy hasn't dropped into this thread to speak of the invasion of privacy that one must endure (or the road we're heading toward)  in a leased or private vehicle.

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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2006, 04:36:51 PM »
Does this BMW black box record the wear and tear on hood bras and recommend replacement when the elastic has worn down to an unsafe level? If it doesn't this must be considered a gross oversight on BMW's part.
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2006, 05:26:17 PM »
My car has a transponder in it already.  Primarily to help in the advent of theft.  I have a number to call and within minutes they can get the location of the car.
Or if there is a medical emergency, and I am in the middle of nowhere, they can get my location to the paramedics/authorities.

The car also records information about itself the dealership can read, but as I understand it, this is more normal than most people are aware of.  Many cars store information the dealership can read.
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2006, 06:09:48 PM »
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I'm really shocked that Chairboy hasn't dropped into this thread to speak of the invasion of privacy that one must endure (or the road we're heading toward)  in a leased or private vehicle.


Just to be clear... I do not advocate placing things like GPS devices in cars to track where you've been. That would be an invasion of privacy, IMHO.

The speed at which you drive is not a privacy issue. It is a public safety issue.
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2006, 08:15:18 PM »
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Just to be clear... I do not advocate placing things like GPS devices in cars to track where you've been. That would be an invasion of privacy, IMHO.

The speed at which you drive is not a privacy issue. It is a public safety issue.
A camera in a high crime neighborhood is a public safety issue for those who are potential victims too. ;)

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2006, 10:16:16 PM »
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 Is that why Safeway tracks my grocery purchases with their frikkin club card? To make
Actually for me, Safeway tracks Elvis Presley's purchases, and Albertsons, Spiro Agnew's
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2006, 11:19:23 PM »
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A camera in a high crime neighborhood is a public safety issue for those who are potential victims too. ;)


Like I said... I really don't care about cameras in public areas.
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