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Offline Charge

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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2006, 05:46:30 AM »
"On the other hand the 110 never would have been such a successfull nightfighter, if it dont would have had its structural reserves."

Well, for what I have read the 110 served well at eastern front, whereas as a night fighter it was simply becoming too heavy and slow.

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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2006, 07:48:12 AM »
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Generally the turret with adequate firepower was pretty much unproven concept during WWII. Adequate firepower would have been something like 2x20mm cannon. BTW pretty much all subsonic heavy bombers built after war feature a powered tail turret with cannons and advanced fire control system.

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Dont the bombers after the war got computed gun sights?? This of course make a big different.

Angus, less weight dont bring much more speed!! With removing of the gunner the drag would remain almost the same, but its climb would have improved and its turn performence, or all over the wing could have been smaler(like the P38).  Imho the whole concept of the 110 as fighter was wrong. One pilot and a smaler wing would have given the plane the needed  faster speed, then it would have been more fighter, like the P38, and the Wirlwind was.

Charge, as fighter the 110 only was realy successfull as nighfighter. Yes, it bacame slow, but in most cases this isnt that important at night. It was able to carry the needed radar, the navigator, a bunch of fat guns, strong engines and it still was manouverable and faster than the Bombers. It for sure wasnt the best german nightfighter, but it was successfull.
The 110 was a good fighter-bomber(Zerstörer) in the east, not a fighter.
Over Britain it simply had the handycap of the Radar, this brought the german planes in most cases into a tactical disadvantage, a less good manouverable but normal fast plane like the 110 suffer much by this fact.

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« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2006, 09:34:53 AM »
Would the Fw187 have been a better fighter for the long range escort role?

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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2006, 03:12:54 PM »
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Dont the bombers after the war got computed gun sights?? This of course make a big different.


There were gyroscopic sights and computing sights in use allready during war as Tony noted above.

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« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2006, 01:09:39 AM »
Hi,

didnt read that there was computed gunsights for tailgunners or turrents in WWII(what is more complicated than for a static gun), with them(if they work good) tailgunners get much more sencefull, of course.


After i did read this i have no doubt that the FW187 was much btter as a fighter!

http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/fw187.htm

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« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2006, 05:16:03 AM »
Knegel:
"Angus, less weight dont bring much more speed!! "
I know that. But a little more. More speed at cruise, more acceleration, more climb, better turn. Overall, more everything.
But with no rear gunner I bet you could have improved the canopy a bit
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« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2006, 07:57:39 AM »
"After i did read this i have no doubt that the FW187 was much btter as a fighter!"

It doesn't look very much different from ME410 -except that it lacks the rear gunner. :D

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« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2006, 10:31:50 AM »
If the flight models in AH are to be so accurate the BF-110 must have been no slouch. A couple times i've been flying, saw a 110, didn't think much of it and had the guy blow me to bits, meanwhile i'm thinking how'd that thing do that. It was climbing, accelerating, turning, doing everything nessessary,and then you have that cannon fire, whenever i see a 110 now i steer clear of it's nose. Still not sure how to approach them, their pretty easy to shoot down, but they can still surprise you.:)
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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2006, 01:37:46 AM »
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After i did read this i have no doubt that the FW187 was much btter as a fighter!

http://www.geocities.com/lastdingo/aviation/fw187.htm
 
Well, I did have Germany making the Fw 187 instead of the Bf 110 in my alt WW2 novel The Foresight War ;)

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« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2006, 05:20:44 AM »
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If the flight models in AH are to be so accurate the BF-110 must have been no slouch. A couple times i've been flying, saw a 110, didn't think much of it and had the guy blow me to bits, meanwhile i'm thinking how'd that thing do that. It was climbing, accelerating, turning, doing everything nessessary,and then you have that cannon fire, whenever i see a 110 now i steer clear of it's nose. Still not sure how to approach them, their pretty easy to shoot down, but they can still surprise you.:)
it wasn't so much the plane hoss, :D

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« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2006, 10:15:00 AM »
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"After i did read this i have no doubt that the FW187 was much btter as a fighter!"

It doesn't look very much different from ME410 -except that it lacks the rear gunner. :D

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There is a big different!!

The Focke Wulf was available in 1940, and the performence on the page is made with 2 x 675hp! This plane with 1675hp engines probably would outperform the 410 by easy.


Tony, your link lead me to nowhere, do i need to register somewhere to get where you wanted us to get??

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« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2006, 12:06:41 PM »
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Tony, your link lead me to nowhere, do i need to register somewhere to get where you wanted us to get??

Sorry about that - the publishers are in the middle of transferring their website to a new system, and the link has temporarily gone down.

You can still access it on amazon.com or amazon.co.uk - links are on my website.

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