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Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2006, 08:29:23 PM »
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get a Smart, 40-50 mpg, and much cheaper than hybrid

Are soo cool to see them on the highway,  they came here in Canada, last year, but i think in U.S didn't pass the safety standards



2 things:

1. Thank god for US safety standards.

2. A golf cart by any other name is still a golf cart.
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« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2006, 08:42:33 PM »
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2 things:

1. Thank god for US safety standards.

2. A golf cart by any other name is still a golf cart.
heh. ain't that teh truth.

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« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2006, 11:34:22 PM »
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2 things:

1. Thank god for US safety standards.

2. A golf cart by any other name is still a golf cart.


They are all over the place here, but two things.
No room for clubs,
and its not a safety standards issue, they would not be able to be sold in a few states cause they are only diesel, so they dont offer them in the US.

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« Reply #123 on: April 25, 2006, 03:12:56 AM »
Smart cars use a motorbike petrol engine, not aware of any diesel ones?
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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2006, 03:40:19 AM »
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Arrogant. You ever think some of those people bought those when GAS wasn't higher than giraffe nuts? They didn't have a problem then. NOW gas is almost twice as high. And they just cant get out of it.  
Oh no, someone else saying I'm pompous! I did live there for about three years on two separate occasions. Arrogant too. Yes, a few years ago (1991) I was instrumental in the marketing of a new brand of aftershave called Arrogance. Yes I know that gas prices have doubled over there - sorry, but the writing has been on the wall for quite some years. It should not have been the big surprise that it was.

$6 for road fuel is probably what I pay, but I never said it was "OK". It's too much tax, and especially for diesel fuel which in the UK costs more than petrol! It's much cheaper in the other European countries, which is why when I go to the continent, I'll go with an almost empty tank and fill up before coming back over - save about $25 that way, which pays for the initial journey from home down to the port. But the real point is that I "pay that" not because it's OK but because I have little choice. The one thing I can do is to choose a fuel efficient vehicle that still meets my needs, instead of simply buying a big V6 and whining about the costs. Sorry if you're feeling the crunch, but read my lips - it's going to get worse, much worse in the next 5-10 years. Maybe time to order a SmartCar?
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SUpply was there a few weeks ago. Now it aint. Thats a load of horse crap.
As other people in this thread have been at pains to point out, oil is not simply a US commodity but a world commodity. Its supply and price are dependent on factors around the world, not just in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico region. As Nashwan has shown, it would be unrealistic to cap gas prices to "what people would like". In his illustration, the oil companies would have to sell at a loss of $15/barrel in order to sell gas at a price which would meet your approval. They'd bankrupt themselves in the process and then you'd have no gas at all.

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Trucks don't drive as nice in 4WD as they do in 2WD. The steering is heavier and burns extra fuel you don't need. - Golfer
My car has 4WD - I like it so much that I don't think I'd want to go back to 2WD. But it's not a truck, and the 4WD "Quattro" system is quite an ingenious set up. In normal conditions, 90% of the drive will be to the front wheels, 10% to the rear. But when accelerating hard, some or all of the drive will be transferred to the rear. The 4WD, the ABS and the ESP all work in unison - very clever. There's also a mechanism by which drive is balanced between diagonally opposite wheels, which means I can go hammering through an S-bend when other cars have to slow right down....

...which leads me on to driving conditions here - very different from what you're used to, perhaps. It rains quite often, and we get icy conditions in the winter, even black ice, leaves on the road in autumn etc., and many minor roads in remote regions are full of twists and turns, often with steep gradients thrown in. These are all reasons I appreciate the 4WD. It has power steering anyway, so the steering is never heavy.

I think when skuzzy said the "best selling F150", he didn't just mean the model but was talking about a particular variant - 2WD. But the US TV commercial I always remember for the Ford truck was the one where a deep voice proclaims "built Ford tough!", and there's the sound of a hammer striking an anvil. The ad shows the truck climbing what appears to be a large pile of building blocks at a 45° angle. It was this ad that made me think that 4WD would be the mainstay of trucks. I don't think that ad could have been made using a 2WD version.

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« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2006, 04:05:21 AM »
it wasn't made with a 2 or 4 WD vehicle.
it was made with a camera tilted at a 45 degree angle.

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« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2006, 04:15:36 AM »
hmmm - makes me wonder why the pile of blocks didn't just tumble then...

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« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2006, 04:27:37 AM »
wondering about 20 year old foreign tv commercials?
u need a better hobby.
maybe its too old, a mystery lost to the ages, like how they built stone henge or what i had for lunch last thursday.
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« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2006, 04:50:35 AM »
Is it really 20 years old? The F150 has been top seller for 20+ years I suppose. I'd have to see it again and see how the loose blocks fell - can't remember them falling at a 45° angle though.

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« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2006, 07:31:38 AM »
Bush Orders Probe Into Gas Price Cheating

Affiliated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -
President Bush, under pressure to do something about gasoline prices that are expected to stay high through the summer, has ordered an investigation into possible cheating in the markets.

During the last few days, Bush asked his Energy and Justice departments to open inquiries into whether the price of gasoline has been illegally manipulated, said White House press secretary Scott McClellan. Bush planned to announce the action Tuesday during a speech in Washington.

It's unclear what impact, if any, Bush's investigation would have on prices that are near $3 a gallon. Asked if Bush had any reason to suspect market manipulation, McClellan responded, "Well, gas prices are high right now, and that's why you want to make sure there's not."

Republicans who control Congress have become concerned that the high cost of filling up could become a problem for them in the November elections. Polls suggest that voters favor Democrats over Republicans on the issue, and Bush gets low marks for handling gasoline prices.

House Speaker
Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., urged Bush in a letter Monday to order a federal investigation into any gasoline price gouging or market speculation.

"There is no silver bullet," Frist said Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America," but "we need to make sure that any efforts at price-gouging be addressed and addressed aggressively." Meanwhile, Frist said, consumers should take steps to conserve gasoline — drive at slower speeds, tune up car engines for maximum efficiency and carpool.

McClellan said Bush had already ordered investigations into market pricing.

"We share a commitment with congressional leaders to make sure that we're acting to ensure that there is no price gouging," McClellan said.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada dispatched his own letter, calling for a multi-pronged approach to restrain gas prices. Among the steps were swift enactment of anti-price gouging legislation, an appeal to oil companies to refrain from further price increases, use of more alternative fuels and increased attention to existing fuel-saving laws and regulations.

Bush also planned to announce that his attorney general and Federal Trade Commission will send a letter to all 50 state attorneys general, who have primary authority over price gouging, to remind them to stay on top of the issue and offer federal help to do so. And he planned to call on energy companies to reinvest their profits into expanding refining capacity, developing new technologies and researching alternative energy sources, McClellan said.

"I think you'll hear the president say very clearly that he will not tolerate price gouging," McClellan said.

Bush has said consistently that gas prices are high because global demand is rising faster than global supply and that the problem cannot be solved overnight. McClellan said Bush planned to talk about how experts predict the price will increase this summer and how the switch to a summer fuel mix is contributing to the problem.

Bush's actions are part of a four-part plan to address gas prices in the short- and long-term, McClellan said. The steps are:

_Making sure consumers and taxpayers are treated fairly.

_Promoting greater fuel efficiency.

_Boosting gasoline supply at home.

_Aggressive long-term investment in alternative fuels.


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« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2006, 07:45:52 AM »


There is no price gouging. There is no problem with gas prices. There is no problems at all.

Everything is coming up roses.

Just ask the Exxon.  37 and ton of zeros after that. Nahhhh no worries at all.

And if CBS says so...then it is FACTS and TRUTH.
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« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2006, 08:20:01 AM »
beet... 4 wd is not the same in trucks as it is in cars.  What 4 wd trucks you have over there?  Again... what you know about cars is pretty sad.  

I don't like 4 wd myself...eats up power and is a needless complication and expense..  How many 4 wd drive race cars you see besides rally cars?    More stuff to break and... I don't drive off road much and I don't drive in snow.   wouldn't live where they had the stuff.  

your car is 4 wd and you probly don't even know it except that they told you it was... it might not even be working and you wouldn't know it.  It is probly broken or was never installed.   I bet you couldn't get under a car or truck and tell us if it was two or four wheel drive.

Thing is...  your tax is what is costing you so much money for fuel and so...  no matter how much oil prices rise... we Americans will allways drive bigger cars than you guys will and you will allways whine that we pay to little.

And.. we will whine at how expensive it is no matter what...  It is what we do before we fix stuff.

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« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2006, 09:12:48 AM »
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There is no price gouging. There is no problem with gas prices. There is no problems at all.

Everything is coming up roses.

Just ask the Exxon.  37 and ton of zeros after that. Nahhhh no worries at all.

And if CBS says so...then it is FACTS and TRUTH.



Who exactly is doing the gouging?

Exxon makes 9 cents per gallon. The goverment taxes are 40 cents per gallon.

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« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2006, 09:31:40 AM »
Lazs - I'm afraid there are a number of errors in your last post. Guess it's just a normal sort of day! I'll quickly go through them
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beet... 4 wd is not the same in trucks as it is in cars.  What 4 wd trucks you have over there?  Again... what you know about cars is pretty sad.
I know. The 4WD in cars is better. :cool: Mine is variable between front and back. Trucks aren't as popular here as they are there. I have never wanted or been interested in  a truck so admittedly I don't know a whole lot about them. The mainstay of 4WD vehicles in the UK has been the Land Rover, which entered production in 1949. 40 years later, more than half of them were still on the road.

After Land Rover came Range Rover, introduced in 1970 with that 3½ litre Rover/Buick engine that you know about. It had permanent 4WD. There was also a diff lock control so that if negotiating a muddy field you wouldn't spin a wheel if the other wheel on the same axle got stuck. I'm not sure if the Land Rover had a diff lock - probably did when in LOW.
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I don't like 4 wd myself...eats up power and is a needless complication and expense..  How many 4 wd drive race cars you see besides rally cars?    More stuff to break and... I don't drive off road much and I don't drive in snow.   wouldn't live where they had the stuff.  
Each to his own, and as I've said already, the driving conditions where you live are very different from the conditions where I live. I can't see what point you're trying to make by talking about racing cars. I'm talking about normal road use. I don't intend to race.
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your car is 4 wd and you probly don't even know it except that they told you it was...
You're quite wrong there. My V6 Golf (the second of three I've owned) had 4WD and it made all the difference. In the VR6 I had before that, the front wheels would spin at the slightest provocation, even in second gear. Never even came close to that with the 4WD version. With the diesel Golf (4WD not available), it was back to having the steering wheel try to wrest itself from my hands if accelerating out of an S-bend like through a roundabout. On loose or wet surfaces, the wheels would slip quite easily. Front wheel drive, remember. Admittedly, with rear wheel drive it wouldn't be so bad. The last rear wheel drive car I had was that Toyota Supra, and it would sometimes wag its tail if accelerating on a wet surface, even though it did have a limited slip diff. I take it you know what one of those is?
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it might not even be working and you wouldn't know it.  It is probly broken or was never installed.   I bet you couldn't get under a car or truck and tell us if it was two or four wheel drive.
Wrong again. Accelerating on a wet road or over a loose surface, the difference is immediately apparent. The wheel doesn't try to snatch itself out of your hands, and the wheels don't slip or spin. Cornering feels like a straight road - no sensation of the front outer wheel bearing the brunt of the load. And... looking at some of those old military vehicles, you can tell they have front wheel drive because the final drive unit is clearly visible without even having to get under the vehicle.

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Thing is...  your tax is what is costing you so much money for fuel and so...  no matter how much oil prices rise... we Americans will allways drive bigger cars than you guys will and you will allways whine that we pay to little.
That could be changing, Lazs. You see no matter how much you whine to your government about your gas prices, more than half of your oil will have to be imported. You use so much of it that your domestic supply simply isn't nearly enough to make you self sufficient. Oil is a global commodity. If OPEC is asking for $75/bbl and America were to offer $60/bbl, in order to peg gas prices where you'd like them pegged, then OPEC would simply sell to China and India instead. What you don't seem to understand is that the USA does not control the world price of crude oil. So whine all you want - it won't make any difference to the oil price.

Also, the three best selling passenger cars in America are the Toyota Camry, the Honda Accord, and the Honda Civic - all of which are also available in the UK, so I don't know what your point was with "we Americans will allways drive bigger cars than you guys will"
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And.. we will whine at how expensive it is no matter what... It is what we do before we fix stuff.
Like I said, whining won't fix the price of crude oil. How long is it going to take you to realise that America does not "fix" the price of crude oil?

As to the cost of fuel here, what with our "evil socialist tax", I think you're getting it a little out of proportion. An average motorist spends around £1200 per annum on road fuel. If that same average motorist were to be paying the American price for his fuel, he'd be saving about £600 a year, which is about $1000. Hardly a King's ransom. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2006, 09:56:23 AM »
If you are truly a geek and know your way around a spreadsheet, you could try and reduce your commute time and save gas.

I can tell this guy is a party animal :)

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I usually leave home at 8:00AM and work at 5:30PM, but a 30 minute delay of each looks like it would shave five minutes off the morning commute and about 2.5 minutes off the evening. Additional half-hour delays bring 2.5 minutes of commute time savings in the evening, but little to no savings in the morning. Slightly earlier departure times appear to result in commute time increases for both trips. Moving back past 4:30 in the evening brings slight improvement in the evening commute, but savings in the morning would most likely require leaving before 6:30AM.

Conclusions
Given the above data and analysis, what can be done to improve my commute times? Changing my morning or evening departure time looks promising. The best bet appears to be moving my schedule out a half-hour to 8:30AM and 6:00PM, bringing significant savings (about 7.5 minutes of commute time per day) without getting too far from normal business hours. Spread out over 50 work weeks, that results in a total savings of over 30 hours a year - the equivalent of about a 38% boost to my existing 80 hours of vacation.