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Nash · « **Reply #60 on:** April 27, 2006, 10:54:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Ok, so it's civil war there now.

Woot! Heh... it is said.

The worst possible outcome discussed by us during the run-up to the war, now is[/b].... tossed out there for the first time with a mind bendingly dismissive: "Ok, so...."

Sorry man.... it's funny ****. Cracks me up.

(don't mean to interrupt - carry on)

Toad · « **Reply #61 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:01:45 PM »

Nah, follow the whole thing.

What I said is that in Sandman's view this is not an active revolt, it's civil war. See, we were talking about what's an active revolt and I asked him if this was one. He said no, it's civil war. I say, "ok, you're calling this a civil war, not an active revolt".

At this time, I don't consider it civil war.

If they get their Parliament up and running and their armed forces are providing the majority of the security and we're drawn way down and THEN they have open warfare between Kurds/Shias/Sunnis.. that would be civil war.

Anyway you slice it the majority of Iraqis are not fighting each other right now. But Sandman can see it anyway he chooses. I don't have to agree with it.

And my... aren't you just jumping on anything.

As i said, try to read it in the context of the whole discussion.

Nash · « **Reply #62 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:05:09 PM »

nah... I'm gonna let you two duke this one out. It's been a good read. Thanks for the explanation though.

Toad · « **Reply #63 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:09:20 PM »

Sorry to deny the slavering dog his pork chop.

Maybe next time.

Mr Big · « **Reply #64 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:11:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Sorry to deny the slavering dog his pork chop.

Maybe next time.

ouch!

Sandman · « **Reply #65 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:12:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad

Anyway you slice it the majority of Iraqis are not fighting each other right now.

I give up. Who are the fighting?

Mr Big · « **Reply #66 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:16:44 PM »

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I give up. Who are the fighting?

You mean you don't know?

Toad · « **Reply #67 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:22:28 PM »

Iraq has a population of about 26 million or so. How many Iraqis are involved in the fighting? I'm guessing the vast majority of Iraqis are tending to the affairs of everyday living rather than forming up in battalions and fighting a civil war.

Also, guys like al-Zarqawi are not Iraqis.

For it to be a Civil War, it would be Iraqi v Iraqi, right?

I'm sure there's some of that going on. I'm also sure that their are non-Iraqis like al-Zarqawi involved and probably generating a good deal of the violence.

I'm not seeing the Shia militia and the Sunni militia in pitched battles though. And the Kurds seem pretty non-combatant too.

The last election had ~58% turnout, as good as or better than most US elections. I'd say most Iraqis are behind the effort to form a government.

It's not going as fast as you like but so far it's ahead of the timeline from the end of the American Revolution to the inauguration of George Washington.

Sandman · « **Reply #68 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:30:16 PM »

They're ahead of us. They'll beat us to the civil war stage by 80 years or so.

Toad · « **Reply #69 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:35:07 PM »

Yep, we'll see. It could happen. It might not.

But it's not a civil war at this time.

Sandman · « **Reply #70 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:38:12 PM »

We can agree to disagree.

Mr Big · « **Reply #71 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:44:05 PM »

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We can agree to disagree.

how original.

rpm · « **Reply #72 on:** April 27, 2006, 11:56:01 PM »

You guys have to remember Iraq was invented after WW1 by some British Army generals. It was 3 different cultures crammed together forcably, always a great idea. Sometimes shoving your chocolate into another guy's peanut butter doesn't work out as well as you'd hoped.