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Offline leonid

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« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2001, 09:26:00 AM »
 
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Socialized democracy, IMO, is nothing more than having everyone at one income level, with a poor socialized healthcare system where one would have to travel to another country for a serious medical condition, where one would have no inspiration to 'be the best he can be'..since no matter how hard you work, you would be taxed back into poverty, where free loaders flourish, where hard workers would be depressed seeing the freeloaders take advantage of 'the system'...where you have to be 'born' into the top 1% that has all the wealth in a social gov't, instead of going out and earning it with an expression or idea (See Bill Gates story).

No thank, I'll take capitalism.  It provides inspiration for those of us that choose to reach his or her potential.


Rip, France has the best healthcare system in the world, and it's a socialized democracy.  Canada is the best place to live in the world, and it's a socialized democracy(of sorts).  I don't know what you're thinking when you think socialized democracy, but it's not communism.  America has a lot of points of excellence, but it also has some very nasty pitfalls in between.  It doesn't have to be this way.
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« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »
 
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Rip, France has the best healthcare system in the world, and it's a socialized democracy.  Canada is the best place to live in the world, and it's a socialized democracy(of sorts).  I don't know what you're thinking when you think socialized democracy, but it's not communism.  America has a lot of points of excellence, but it also has some very nasty pitfalls in between.  It doesn't have to be this way.
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« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2001, 10:36:00 AM »
Leonid, if you want static, permanent classes, raise taxes.  The single greatest obstacle to class mobility, aside from education (complete different thread) is the tax load slogging down the economy.

Despite visions of a redistributed nirvana, you end up with the rich more conservative, milking every dollar they can out of their position.  Taxes allow little chance for competition to arise and break into monopolies, because with taxes you've added approximately 100% to the baseline price of any given product.

Let's set aside the immediate inflationary pressures it adds and look only at someone taxed another, say, 5%.  An average worker under a serious tax burden (and I do tend to label ours serious.  Not terrible, but it's no joke either) looking higher to see an even higher tax burden, is extremely unlikely to take the risk of entrepreneureal enterprise, only to hit that next tax bracket as he struggles to keep his company off the ground.

Or working for the stoic conservative company, content to hold its place in the overweighted marketplace, never expanding, never hiring more.


Your need to elimate "wasteful earning"(?) is admirable, though I've mentioned it before Aces High is exactly the kind of lone venture excessive taxation discourages.

All of this ignoring for a moment that everyone seems to have accepted without question these types of taxes have led to an entire job sector of the economy that adds nothing to the economy, simply interprets jarbled tax code.

Towd, that's some chip you got there, the amatuer psychological conclusions to explain it are mind boggling, a topic to themselves.

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« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2001, 10:44:00 AM »
Leonid, if you consider high taxes and lowering the health care standards 'great'..then by all means, move there, we prefer to keep our world-leading medical research and substantially lower tax rates intact.  Why do you think people come here from Canada for health care?

Incidently, not to disrepect Denmark...but..I hear they have free education, socialist system but a very high tax bracket, close to 75% Santa?  I was offered a Contract job over there, making double what I made here...after doing a research of possible places to live, eat, cost of living (via  single friend that is over there living)...I decided it was a cut in pay due to the fact of THE TAXES.

So, if you bring children into the world, is it the tax payers responsibility to educate them further than grades 1-12?  Or is it a parents responsibility?

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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2001, 10:50:00 AM »
 
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Leonid, if you consider high taxes and lowering the health care standards 'great'..then by all means, move there, we prefer to keep our world-leading medical research and substantially lower tax rates intact.  Why do you think people come here from Canada for health care?


Rip, you've seen too many comercials paid by HMOs which in turn got money bu butt f_____ you on every pair of gloves that was used to scan your ID card as you walked into the hospital.

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« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2001, 10:55:00 AM »
No, FD-SKI, real stories from real people,you forget my wife is not only an RN at a level 4 trauma intensive care unit, of only which there are 8 in the country, but she is also an instructor at the University of Washington, one of the top schools in medicine.

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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2001, 12:41:00 PM »
Hey, like I said, agree to disagree, Rip.  At this point we're just banging our bald heads together.

 
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« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2001, 12:47:00 PM »
 
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Hey, like I said, agree to disagree, Rip.  At this point we're just banging our bald heads together.

 

Hehe, yep!  Tis okay to disagree, if we couldn't, no one would ever be married!
<S> Leonid!


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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2001, 12:54:00 PM »
Eagler,
I ain't leaving until I've given up hope of seeing this country becoming more socially conscious and responsible of its own citizens.  Namely, turning it into a real community, instead of one big business transaction.  Maybe I should change my callsign to Gracchus  
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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »
 
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Hehe, yep!  Tis okay to disagree, if we couldn't, no one would ever be married!
<S> Leonid!


LOL! That's a good one, Rip <S!>

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« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »
It amazes me that people want to change that which made this country great in the first place. Without the Rockefellers, the DuPonts, the Gettys, the Gates, etc of this country, it would not be what it is today. Everyone has the OPPORTUNITY to change their standing in life. The CHOICE however is totally up to them to make. No one is forcing the poor to stay poor. In fact, the opposite is true if you look at our current taxation levels. The problem with the country today is there are too many people who think that success is owed to them, and they don't want to put forth the effort to strive for it themselves.


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« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2001, 02:16:00 PM »
Leonid-

I do hope you understand I meant no offense on that Catholic comment? Just a joke, really, and I think you took it that way, but you never know...

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« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2001, 02:20:00 PM »
<Rip buys Raub a virtual beer>

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2001, 02:26:00 PM »
Guys,
Bush already won on this one.......

The question isn't IF there will be a tax cut, but how big and whose?

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »
Aw, Leonid...you're not going to define your terms?

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!