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Offline BlckMgk

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Paying off a car
« on: April 27, 2006, 08:56:43 AM »
A coworker asked me some advice when it came to paying off their car.

Situation:
They have about 8,000 left to pay on their car
They have available 6,000 to use.
Should they use the 6,000 towards the car?

The car company says if she pays off the car most of the money would be used to payoff the principal then she would have monthly payments that would be used to pay the interest. At first this seems wrong, because I always thought you paid interest first then the principal.

What options does she have to pay this car off?

Thanks for your time gents.

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2006, 09:01:50 AM »
She can just make a bunch of payments totalling $6k, and resume her normal payment schedule (just having it end really early.. damn that'd be nice).

She could refinance with the 6k and get really low payments that continue over the same schedule (or could change it depending on what they want).

Shouldn't it be irrelevant which order you pay off the principal & interest? Mine is rolled together in the same account and payments just subtract from the total owed.

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 09:03:32 AM »
Pay the 6G's then get a 0 intrest credit card for the first however many months and pay the rest of the 2g's off. Then make payments on the credit card with no intrest for 6-however many months they give you. And pay the card off in a month or two.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 09:07:05 AM »
Reason I ask about interest before principal is that.... I believe she has a variable interest rate. So she'd be paying more interest in the long run if the % goes up?

How is interest applied to a loan? Based on the amount owed at any given time or at the time of loan applied to the total owed?

-Thanks for the quick reply Indy.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2006, 09:15:29 AM »
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
Reason I ask about interest before principal is that.... I believe she has a variable interest rate. So she'd be paying more interest in the long run if the % goes up?

How is interest applied to a loan? Based on the amount owed at any given time or at the time of loan applied to the total owed?

-Thanks for the quick reply Indy.


My rate is fixed. That rate was based on my credit @ the time, and is a % of the total amount owed. It was simply tacked onto the loan from Toyota Financial Services, and I make monthly payments based on 1 lump sum.

I'm not sure how they bill with variable rates, never done it. Can anybody chime in on that one?

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2006, 09:53:24 AM »
Interest before principal is usually done no home loans from what I recall. However if they want to make a $6,000 payment then they can specifiy that it goes directly against the principal and not the interest. Then their remaining interest will only be against $2,000.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2006, 12:29:20 PM »
It sounds like she has a simple interest car loan, extra payments go to principal first.

In the old days many of those loans were Rule of 78 loans where extra payments were applied to interest as kind of a prepayment penalty.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2006, 02:19:00 PM »
Does this person have no credit card debt?  Chances are they can save $$$ paying off a 11-20% credit card debt instead of paying down a 4-6% car debt.

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2006, 03:17:22 PM »
put the 6k on red, win, pay it all off.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2006, 10:16:54 PM »
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Originally posted by Furball
put the 6k on red, win, pay it all off.
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I think Mickey is Spot on-  Use the money to pay off the HIGHEST INTEREST debt. If anything is left, put it towards the car.

Personally I doubt that interest rates will be going up much, if at all.  I dont think the economy can handle any substabtial increases.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2006, 10:52:57 PM »
In a standard car loan, you pay mostly interest in the first half of the loan.  Say a standard 5 year car loan, for 2+ years most of your payments go to interest.  Thus by the end of year 3, you have only paid slightly on the principle, but have paid off most of the interest.  This is so the bank is assured of getting its money quickest, and because if they have to repossess it, now they can logically expect to get a decent return on their investment.  The last half of your payment plan is paying mostly principle.  

A year into the loan, if you ask for a payoff balance, it will be significantly different than the total balance.  Principle minus the interest that would be generated for the duration of the loan.  With only a year LEFT to pay, your payoff balance and total balance are not that far apart.  More than likely, almost all the interest for the loan has been paid already, whats left is almost all principle, therefore there is not much of a discount to be gained by asking for an early payoff.  Best thing they can do, is continue making payments until they only owe around $6000 and then pay the car off early.  No more owed anywhere, not even small payments, and it looks great on their credit report.  Next best alternative, get someone to refinance the loan, paying off $6000 of the remaining debt, but then they are going to be making interest payments again.  Payments would be considerably less though, which would help if they are hurting on making the payments.  Which I doubt if they have $6000 in extra cash lying about.

Or you could try Morph's suggestion.  Thats problematic though, because I'm not sure they'd let you use the card to apply to a loan payoff, and cash advance would nullify the 0% interest.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2006, 07:21:36 AM »
I've never tried the idea i mentioned. I have a friend who bought a new Mustang cobra and he paid his remaining ballance off with his credit card which was 0 intrest of 9 months. I'm not sure if he did it all at once or over a couple of months. But he did, and then paid off the credit card shortly after that. He said he managed to come out on top/even.

My advice would be to refinance if she can't pay off the rest of the 2g's. The payments would be nothing.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2006, 12:22:11 PM »
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In a standard car loan, you pay mostly interest in the first half of the loan.  Say a standard 5 year car loan, for 2+ years most of your payments go to interest.  Thus by the end of year 3, you have only paid slightly on the principle, but have paid off most of the interest.  This is so the bank is assured of getting its money quickest, and because if they have to repossess it, now they can logically expect to get a decent return on their investment.  The last half of your payment plan is paying mostly principle.  
 


This may seem the case, but really isn't. It is all a function of how compounding interest is calculated. It isn't so the bank can get its money the quickest. It is a function of the interest rate, length of the loan & principle remaining.

You borrow a certain amount of $$ at an interest rate for a period. The payment made makes it so you can pay off the principal plus interest over the period. Example, if you borrow $30k for 5yrs, at the start you are paying interest on the full 30k, so the portion of the payment is going to interest is much higher. After a year, you might have $27k in principal remaining. Interest on $27k is lower than on $30k, so less interest is paid (more of payment going to the principal). End of year 2, you might only have $22k balance, so the interest to be paid will be less.

Whether or not to use the money to pay off the principal is dependant on a lot of factors. If have higher interest rate debt, then definately don't use the money to pay towards the car. If the interest rate is really low on the car, then it doesn't make sense either. At the right interest rate, debt can be a good thing. So the answer can't be given unless a lot of factors are known pertaining to the individuals specific situation.

At the right interest rate, I would borrow as much $$ as someone would be willing to loan. If could get a 0% interest loan, I would borrow infinate amounts of money, invest the money, pay off the loan & make a lot of money in the meantime. At a 10% rate, the amount of $$ I would borrow definately would not be infinity. If you have a 3% loan, it is foolish to use cash to pay it off. You can earn more safely in the capital markets than 3%, so there is a big cost to pay off the loan. If the rate is 9%, paying off the loan may make sense since you can't earn 9% with certainty in the capital markets.