Author Topic: British B17G (Graphics Warning) (Read 2323 times)

Greebo · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2006, 05:55:43 PM »

The camo looks a lot better now. Maybe you could add a shadow effect behind the cowling flaps. Also make the cowling flap panel lines heavier than the other panel lines. Narrow shadows on the leading edges of the control surfaces would make them stand out more than the other panel lines.

The exhaust stain effects could be increased a bit and maybe add some stains behind the fuel filler caps. Also a few oil leaks behind the engines.

Kev367th · « **Reply #31 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:25:59 PM »

Engine cowling flaps shading -

Heres a pic of a jug I did, just a simple gaussian blur.

For the control surfaces shading use two layers, 1 dark, 1 light. Yet again simple single line gaussian blurred. Dark line next to the join, highlight line just behind it.
Look at the aileron on this one.

Lord ReDhAwK · « **Reply #32 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:31:51 PM »

Alrighty then, lets have a look at these

Added:

o More dirt
o Oil stains behind and along engines
o Smoke staining behind engines and out of exhausts
o Weathered paint more on all leading edges
o Shadow behind cowling flaps
o Shadow on leading edge of control surfaces
o fuel drips from caps
o placed monkey in the navigator seat

lol, we will get there together, Thx for all the input gents. Im learning much

ReDhAwK

Kev367th · « **Reply #33 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:37:49 PM »

Looking good.

Tip to help soften the panel lines.
Duplicate your dark panel line layer.
Gaussian blur it (around 4.0 in PSP)
Put it underneath you dark and light panel line layers, adjust opacity to suit.
To add a little extra - before blurring it use the color replacer to change it to a darkish brown. Looks like grime after blurring.

For rivets to avoid the big tank bolt look -
Draw them in black using the pen tool, they come out slightly aliased.
Then duplicate the layer and gausian blur (0.5 in PSP).
Duplicate this layer and use negative to get them white.

So you have 3 layers - 1) Original in black, 2) Duplicate blurred, 3) Duplicate of the duplicate as a negative image.

Select the appropriate areas on each duplicated layer and move them 1 pixel diagonally.
When opacity is right you can just about see the center of the rivet, but you have the slight shadow and highlight either side.

If you look at my VIII here -

http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177203

You can just about see the rivets from that distance, but they can be seen (reasonbly) from the cockpit.

Lord ReDhAwK · « **Reply #34 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:46:53 PM »

Salute Kev,

Great tips sir! I will use it on the panel lines and control surfaces tonight (we seem to have posted at same time.)

I thought the 17 was looking pretty darn good...then I saw that Spit. Damn! Should I just scrap mine now?

Outstanding!

ReDhAwK

Kev367th · « **Reply #35 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:49:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Salute Kev,

Great tips sir! I will use it on the panel lines and control surfaces tonight (we seem to have posted at same time.)

I thought the 17 was looking pretty darn good...then I saw that Spit. Damn! Should I just scrap mine now?

Outstanding!

ReDhAwK

Lol thanks, you should see some of my early ones, looked good at the time.
I look at them now and EEEEKKKKK.

E.g rivets file (only top wing B17, not got any further, sorry)

http://www.cyberonic.com/~kreed/rivets.zip

United · « **Reply #36 on:** May 09, 2006, 08:44:55 PM »

Beautiful bird! Looks absolutely fantastic to me.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 09, 2006, 10:33:11 PM »

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Originally posted by United
Beautiful bird! Looks absolutely fantastic to me.

Where the heck have you been United? Bout time you showed up again

Krusty · « **Reply #38 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:59:47 AM »

One thing I see, the panel lines on the cowling flaps are waaay too wide. I mean the flaps are too wide. They're more like P47 flaps (almost square). Maybe take your panel lines for those engine cowling flaps and just put an extra one in between every two? (Cut each one in half?)

Kazaa · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2006, 12:11:24 PM »

That is one fine looking skin ReDhAwK, done yourself proud

Citabria · « **Reply #40 on:** May 10, 2006, 03:57:36 PM »

about the exhaust on the tops of the wings that everyone screws up 100% of the time...

those 4 vents behind each engine are recessed and should be more normal camo color...

the streaks go between the vents not out from them.

look at the default skin it is correct in this regard...

want to get even more accurate with it? displace the exhaust to the left a little tiny bit on both engies on the left wing and the left on both engines on the right wing to account for the slipstream of the props.

so said another way the streaks and discoloring etc streams back from the nacels over the wing and once it gets to the vents theres a triangle below each 4 holed vent that is recessed and dosnt collect grime the way the rest of the wing behind the engine does.

look closer at what you see dont just assume its a certain way because everyone else did it that way because everyone else in this case did it wrong

Lord ReDhAwK · « **Reply #41 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:47:29 PM »

Salute Gents,

Thanky Lord Kazaa and Ur Unitedness. This has definately been a group project. Not a single comment left that has not been helpful

Added:

o additional panel lines on cowling flaps per Krusty.
o recessed vents on wings per Fester.
o more dirt and grime overall airframe
o played with smoke streaking behind the vents on wings between vents and rear edge.
o made (vent vacume?) where smoke would hit it (IMO) from maneuvering and environment. Weathered area.
o exhaust displacement per Fester
o fed monkey in navigator seat (it drank all my beer)

I feel it being closer now. That "thing" I just couldn't place my finger on that was driving me nuts was definately the vents Fester. I'm muuuch happier with her now

I have been putting together the text files that will accompany her. Material file generously provided by Kev. Working on the naming convention for the text box. I know it will be 214BS. However, what would be the complete naming convention for her? I have this right now:

HB817/214BS by ReDhAwK

I believe that I will place the url for this entire thread in the info.txt file per the conversation Skuzzy started in the Forum about the new submitting protocol he would like to use, (i.e. posted in the Skinners Forum first for higher priority.) I will also place the 214 Website in there as that is where we got the historic shots from.

I can't begin to thank each of the participants enough for all the help you have provided. I hope to do the same in the future for others.

Check her out and let me know of any corrections or ideas.

ReDhAwK

Treize69 · « **Reply #42 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:54:44 PM »

I have an idear-

Get rid of the navigator monkey and get a copilot orangutang! Despite the size, they are lightweights when it comes to beer, so he'll never drink all of it.

Anyhoo, the skin look great! I cant wait to see that in the game.

Lord ReDhAwK · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2006, 07:59:00 PM »

lol. Thx man

ReDhAwK

United · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2006, 08:08:29 PM »

According to the real pic Kev posted, I think the roundels are still a little too large. It seems to me that the Lanc posted has larger roundels than the B-17 photo. Although, it could just be my eyes.