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Offline eskimo2

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« on: May 01, 2006, 08:10:16 PM »
My wife and kids and I visit my family in Alaska nearly every summer (from Akron Ohio).  We’ve been watching the prices and have been able to find tickets for about $570 round trip with taxes and fees.  It’s been about the same for the past few months.  Right now Delta has the best price at $571; the next best is $616.  I think that we should just buy the tickets now before prices go up but word is that Delta might strike.  What do you guys think?  How likely is it that Delta will strike and how bad could that mess us up?  Will they still get us there and back if they screw up their schedules with a strike?  A delay of even a few days at either end of the trip won’t kill us.

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2006, 08:56:52 PM »
I would go with the next best, if they strike all bets are off, its not like the old days where they would put you on a competeitors flight without a fight.

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2006, 10:48:13 PM »
The pilots are going to have to membership ratify the agreement and count votes at the end of May, IIRC. So you'd have time to rebook.

The Union leadership voted to accept the tentative agreement 12-1.

I think it's a safe bet the membership will follow the leadership on this one.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 02:15:14 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 03:10:33 AM »
Eskimo

I don't know how the US airlines handle it, but when I buy tickets it's not unusual to be confronted with a fuel surcharge. That seems highly likely between now and summer. Are you sure those prices will hold, or might you be asked for more money nearer the time?

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2006, 06:50:16 AM »
The problem Delta has, and it's the problem every US airline except for Southwest has, is that they're operating in starvation mode.  Their business model is that if they lose $5/ticket, they'll make up the difference in volumn.  WTF?  Well, here's the reasoning - if they undersell everyone else to the point where they go bankrupt but can claim a huge market share, then the federal government will be more likely to bail them out yet again.  United got this free ride, and I think Delta is heading that way.  Just continue the price war by selling tickets waaay under actual cost per seat-mile, make a good show of forcing your employees to take salary cuts and make work environment concessions to *prove* that they're really trying (honest!), and then when they go bankrupt hopefully the govt will help with the bailout.  So they've increased market share by racing to the bottom of the bankruptcy well, knowing full well that the govt will bail them out if they get to the bottom first with a huge load of customers who are paying well under actual costs per ticket.

My solution is to add one govt regulation - that every single route MUST show a profit over the fiscal year.  If it does not, the airline loses their permit to run that route and it opens up for any and all competitors at whatever fare rate WILL turn a profit.  One regulation, that's it.

If they can't hack it, they go out of business WITHOUT the ugly slashing of pensions, employee benefits, and govt bailouts, because they LOST.  The routes won't go away...  There is enough demand that whatever airline can make a profit will run the route, hire the pilots/maintainers/support infrastructure, etc.  It'll cause a shuffling in the industry, but overall capacity will keep growing and prices will only rise to whatever is required to break even or show a slight profit.  The airlines bleeding some routes dry just to keep market share to protect their bailout option won't have that crutch, and they'll either adjust prices and costs to survive or they'll die, AS THEY SHOULD.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 08:08:38 AM »
I was staying at a hotel in Florida last week where the Delta stewardess stayed.

They were hot.

Except for the old one in charge of them.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2006, 08:25:49 AM »
Actually, if DAL had achieved the AVERAGE RASM (Revenue per Available Seat Mile) of the other large carriers in 2005 (United, AMR, Northwest, USAir and Continental), they would have made a 2.5 BILLION in revenue last year. This would have made them the only legacy carrier to show a profit.

Unfortunately, they achieved only 85% of the average RASM's in 2005.

In January 2006 they achieved a 14% RASM improvement over January 2005.

The COO has spoken before groups of employees stating that they expect to be "in the black" operationally in 12-18 months.

The new tentative agreement has the pilots working for 52% of the wages agreed to in the last full contract negotiations. They took another cut.

If they don't make it now..... who ya gonna blame.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2006, 08:34:55 AM »
Toad,

There's still more blood to be sucked out of the employees...  Pension plan comes to mind...  Nevermind that a properly funded pension plan should be entirely self-sufficient as evidenced by the CALPERS fund for calif state employees, they've been underfunding the pension fund for years and mgt will still manage to blame it on the greedy employees who have the balls to think they deserve some sort of retirement pension.
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2006, 09:11:35 AM »
Oh yeah, the pilots agreed not to challenge any pension termination by the company. Wonder if the company will try to terminate with the government. Ya think?

Nonetheless, the COO claims they are on the road to recovery and they've got the new pilot wages they wanted.

I think Eskimo can safely book the seats.
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2006, 01:57:25 PM »
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Toad,

There's still more blood to be sucked out of the employees...  Pension plan comes to mind...  Nevermind that a properly funded pension plan should be entirely self-sufficient as evidenced by the CALPERS fund for calif state employees, they've been underfunding the pension fund for years and mgt will still manage to blame it on the greedy employees who have the balls to think they deserve some sort of retirement pension.



I know fair amount about pension funds and funding. Just because a fund is "underfunded" does not mean it is not healthy financially. Not sure what calprs funded status is, let us say 86%. Assume tomorrow the state issued a bond and the proceeds went to calprs and it became 100% funded. In real economic terms, it is no different.