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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2006, 08:12:24 PM »
Notice the Panthers in the drawing.....(thats what I want) :D
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Offline mentalguy

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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2006, 08:55:31 PM »
i want the wirblewind
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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2006, 08:42:22 AM »
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Im pretty sure in a year or two we will have everything we could ask for in Aces high.


are you joking
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2006, 09:26:39 AM »
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Overwhelming numbers........and tank destroyers.


Artillery, Infantry, Air Superiority, theirs broke down, ours had supplies . . .
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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2006, 09:52:36 AM »
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(give it a flame thrower)

I don't think so, you know how much RAM that would consume? Geez, that would kill your frame rate before you even get it out of your turret 5 feet!:eek:
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 04:09:22 PM »
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And rockets, dont forget the rockets!


Thats how we got Wittman (most likely, still some contraversy)
Did a search on this not too terribly long ago.  From everything I have seen, it was NOT a rocket that killed Wittman.  It was a SHERMAN FIREFLY.  Which is exactly why we need it.;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2006, 04:36:07 PM »
They need to do somethin about the frame rate.  The fact that it doesnt allow certain weapons(flame throwers) kinda sucks.  It limits the game from reachin its full potential.  Things like land mines and other weapons that would make a good edition to the game(no atomic bombs) could never happen.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2006, 05:06:21 PM »
It depends which group says it. If you ask Tankers, it was a Firefly. If you ask Flyboys or the Germans, it was most likely Typhoons. I've seen mainstream publications (Tiger Ace!, WWII Magazine, etc) that can't agree on it. All agree on when and where he died, but both sides also have documentary evidence (combat reports, etc) to support their side. Well never know for sure.

I know when I went through Tank training, and we'd get talking about WWII and Korea during downtime, somone would always bring up the Fireflys killing Wittman.

But talk to any RAF vets or aviation historians, and they swear it was a rocket firing RCAF Typhoon.

That said, bring on the Firefly. And the Pershing. And the Cromwell, and the Churchill, and the Chaffee, and the Easy-8, and the Wirbelwind, and the Panther, and the IS-2, and the OH MY GOD I NEED A LIFE!!!

sorry :D
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2006, 08:22:28 PM »
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OH MY GOD I NEED A LIFE!!!

sorry :D



the suspence is killing me:aok
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2006, 10:18:19 PM »
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It depends which group says it. If you ask Tankers, it was a Firefly. If you ask Flyboys or the Germans, it was most likely Typhoons. I've seen mainstream publications (Tiger Ace!, WWII Magazine, etc) that can't agree on it. All agree on when and where he died, but both sides also have documentary evidence (combat reports, etc) to support their side. Well never know for sure.

I know when I went through Tank training, and we'd get talking about WWII and Korea during downtime, somone would always bring up the Fireflys killing Wittman.

But talk to any RAF vets or aviation historians, and they swear it was a rocket firing RCAF Typhoon.



From Answer.com (used only because-well, just because)  Bold mine:
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Wittmann was killed in action less than two months after Villers-Bocage, on August 8. Participating in Operation Totalise, his tank was destroyed near the town of Cintheaux. The exact means of his death are in dispute. What is known is that his tank was hit by two shots to the right rear flank which tore the turret from the vehicle.

One explanation has been that Wittmann was killed following a skirmish in which the rear of his company was ambushed by tanks of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry. The shots are claimed to have come from a single Sherman Firefly commanded by Sgt. Gordon and gunned by Trooper Joe Ekins, of the 3rd Platoon, A Squadron, part of the 33rd Armoured Brigade at around 1240 hours.

Other units in the area also claimed that the hit was theirs, specifically Major Radley-Walters of the Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment of 4th Canadian Armoured Division, as well as the 2nd Polish Armoured Regiment of the 1st Polish Armoured Division.

The most recent book to study the subject is No Holding Back by Brian Reid, which provides a detailed topographical map of the engagement, and is benefited by extensive review of Allied and German records (the book is about Operation Totalise but devotes an entire appendix to the subject of Wittman's demise). Reid concludes that there are even odds between the Canadians and the British as far as Wittmann's death.

There has previously been much speculation (for example, in After the Battle magazine) that a high-explosive (RP-3) rocket from a RAF Hawker Typhoon aircraft dealt the fatal blow to Wittmann's Tiger. Reid has discredited the Typhoon theory by close examination of 2nd Tactical Air Force logs, concluding "no tanks were claimed destroyed or damaged in the forward areas by immediate support aircraft and ... the only tanks claimed were by Typhoons on armed reconnaissance missions in areas away from the actual battle. Therefore Wittman and his crew almost assuredly did not fall victim to an attack from the air." (p. 429) German records also seem to confirm this; Reid mentions that Kurt Meyer, Wittman's commanding officer, "made a point of remarking on the Allies' failure to use their tactical fighters on the morning of 8 August." (p.426)

There are a LOT of discussions on other BBs about this, and people quote all kinds of books I have no time to read nor money to buy.  The person who put forth the theory that it was a typhoon rocket was named Varin, and he made his assertion after seeing the wreck in 1945 (months after the fact).  Almost everyone agrees his assessment has been discredited.
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2006, 07:05:25 AM »
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That said, bring on the Firefly. And the Pershing. And the Cromwell, and the Churchill, and the Chaffee, and the Easy-8, and the Wirbelwind, and the Panther, and the IS-2, and the OH MY GOD I NEED A LIFE!!!

sorry :D


I still say if you develop a large stable of tanks, give every map a good tank town.  Tank warfare is vastly improved in this iteration of AH but a good tankers area with smallish airbases that have only say dive bombers and second tier planes would be a nice addition to the map to give the ground hugging coterie a place to call home.  

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2006, 11:35:28 PM »
I'd love to see the Chaffee or Firefly, however I'm STILL waiting for my Wirbelwind.

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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2006, 07:23:03 AM »
How much does it cost to produce a new vehicle/plane? Couldn't HTC allow someone to sponsor a development? Just a thought...
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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2006, 02:59:00 PM »
Ya mean a Sherman that looks like a budweiser can?  Hell, same thickness of armour.
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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2006, 04:52:05 PM »
We dont no stinkin Sherman. We need one of these!

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