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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2006, 09:29:36 AM »
moot... sarcasm or not... How can we punish politicans and help the problem?  Don't get me wrong here....  any time we can punish politicians I am all for it but.... It would be nice if I could justify it and it got results.

I am pragmatic... I want results.   I want results that are possible not LALA land dump money at the problem and pretend to be doing something..

Some appear to want that... Beggg the nice government men to make the problem go away no matter what it costs us pleeeeease!!!

LOL...  the government will take your money and give you a handfull of magic  beans and laugh their butt off at yet another hysterical outcry from the public that ended up giveing them more money and more power..

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2006, 11:02:15 AM »
"besides... anyone seeing your solutions would have you as well pegged as I do....  Soooo what is your solution commie boy?" - lazs

Lol. "Commie boy." I have only ever voted for conservatives. Yeah, you got me so well pegged, there lazs.

"I will let you think of that while we all await nash's solution to the problem." - lazs

Solution? Like this one?

"From a legal and a practical standpoint... it would make far more sense to hang a few cowardly traitor employers." - lazs

Sweet jeezious that's one hell of a solution! Bravo! It's brilliant.

Gawdamn but you are funny.

Look, if people seriously wanted a solution, there'd be one. There'd be border enforcement and there'd be stricter laws. The reason that there aren't these things is that the politicians aren't willing to stick their neck out and get it done. Why? Because for some reason they want to get reelected, and think that actually doing something will hurt their chances. Why? Because the people who finance them and the people who elect them don't seem to want to do anything about it.

The "solution" is simply border control and tougher laws. I'm not sure I'd go so far as "lynching" per se, but nevertheless - it's not complex. A three year-old can understand that. It only starts to get complex when you look at the repercussions of actually pursuing these things. Because that's why it's not getting done.
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2006, 11:26:41 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2006, 11:44:13 AM »
nash... you obviously haven't been following my ideas on the matter... the "lynching" was tounge in cheek.

My solution is to enforce the laws against employers.  It is also, as I have said to add a MANDATORY penalty of one year jail term for emplyers caught hiring illegals.  

I believe that it would take very few arrests to stop all the cowardly and traitorous employers from any further hiring... that would kill the demand and the supply would dry up.

I still don't see your solution other than "enforce the borders"  what the hell does that mean?  you want to build a wall or hire thousands more border patrol to try and plug the sieve?

Why don't you see that killing the demand and the root of the problem is a million (or 12 million) times easier and with hardly any cost at all to the taxpayer.

and.... I do not think that what you call "conservative" in your country is the same as what we would call conservative.   you are a flaming liberal by American standards but you are simply not up front enough to admit it.

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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2006, 02:25:50 PM »
Lazs, how else than via politicians whose responsibility it is could changes such as outlawing illegals be made?
I don't know about sorting thru the webs of corruption, but if political actions were squares on a table top covered with them, where each demand on one side would get in only by pushing another one off the table (this being metaphor-space, a system (aka tabletop) free of corruption would hold all the squares necessary, no more (aka small govt)), continually pushing for what the people want (which should be the right things) should come naturally (common sense) and receive no opposition from the politicians concerned, lest they admit they've got other interests, which if made to happen for their electors to see, would have them removed from their responsibilities.

It might sound naive, but my intended point is that if people were correctly informed and lucid enough, the politicians could only follow their will.
The truth can't be denied, and this instance is no exception.  People naturaly do what's good for them. All they need to deal with what isn't is to have enough lucidity to get to the bottom of what that is.

e.g.  just like the constitution originated from 'the people', ejecting such a tumor ought to as well, if for no other reason, because it is their sovereign right.
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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2006, 03:25:51 PM »
We have the same probs with Canucks here.  Lazy as Hell, Expect everything and don't pay taxes.

Oh BTW the Maple Leaf thingy reminds me when I used to hunt alot and had to crap.... reach for the Big Leafs.

 And Canucks beer? one word "MooseHead"  may as well be givin a Moose Head.

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2006, 04:35:23 PM »
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Why don't you see that killing the demand and the root of the problem is a million (or 12 million) times easier and with hardly any cost at all to the taxpayer.lazs


That's what I meant by stricter laws. Other than the lynching thing, I guess we're in some agreement. So now that we've come up with this wonderful solution, all we gotta do is march to DC and fill everyone in on it. Because I'm certain that nobody there with the power to actually do anything about it has ever thought up an idea as mindbendingly brilliant as this.

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Originally posted by lazs2 ...you are a flaming liberal by American standards but you are simply not up front enough to admit it. -lazs


You must mean by 32% of Americans' standards. :aok

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2006, 09:00:24 AM »
nash and moot... The laws allready exist.   It is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a 250,000 dollar fine to hire illegals.   It has not been enforced since........ 1992.

It would be easy to simply make the first offence a mandatory 1 year jail sentance.

and nash.... are you saying that because only 34% of Americans at this time approve of Bush that all your liberal ideas are espoused by the rest?  I think your approval rating by Americans for your ideas would be about 4%  and.... you would have to take the poll in hollywood or ny city to get it that high.

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2006, 09:11:47 AM »
It's a law, that's not enforced..  :lol  I guess I'm just not made for politics.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2006, 09:38:03 AM »
moot... more like humans are not made for politics... politics are for aholes.

nash... of course my idea is obvious... well.... except to everyone but you.   How come so many here didn't see it as a solution?

I think that the reason is that so many have emotional ties to the issue that get in the way of rational thinking.   many are just brainwashed "make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished and a wall built.   no matter what it costs.

All I can do is take every chance to make my ideas known... I write here and to newspapers and politicians.   What are you doing?  oh wait...

you aren't even a citizen of this country... you aren't even involved are you?  you simply don't have anything intersting about your country to talk about.

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2006, 10:14:29 AM »
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moot... more like humans are not made for politics... politics are for aholes.

nash... of course my idea is obvious... well.... except to everyone but you.   How come so many here didn't see it as a solution?

I think that the reason is that so many have emotional ties to the issue that get in the way of rational thinking.   many are just brainwashed "make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished and a wall built.   no matter what it costs.

All I can do is take every chance to make my ideas known... I write here and to newspapers and politicians.   What are you doing?  oh wait...

you aren't even a citizen of this country... you aren't even involved are you?  you simply don't have anything intersting about your country to talk about.

lazs



I don't want to see illegals "punished" per se, I just want them shipped out the country every time one is caught here. If they come back, throw them in jail or tent city like we have here in Phoenix. Nobody likes living in a tent for a year in the desert.

Also, I don't want one cent spent on any illegal in order to assist them in any way, unless it's for an immediate need of emergency health care, food or water, etc.

I'd take all the money saved and spend it on enforcing immigration laws.

When you say:  " many are just brainwashed make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished".....  aren't you saying the same thing regarding employers? You want the government to do something.

 I want ALL of our laws enforced. Pretty simple, really.

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2006, 12:50:21 PM »
I do too.... I am simply pragmatic and realize that so long as there are jobs here and free stuff like schools and services...

No decent human being wouldn't want that for his family that had nothing.

I do not think illegals should be allowed to go to school here.

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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2006, 03:00:44 PM »
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