Cold War gas war played out again. Interesting read.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Boroda
Pretty simple for me too. We don't want to sponsor them. They got gas for $49, while at their Western border it was sold for $230. They bought our gas for $49, and sold it to Romania for $190. Good business, isn't it?

In UK gas price is about $500, why should we sell in to idiotic Ukrainian regime for $50? Now they buy it for $95, and it's still at our expense.

Wow.. yah sound just like an Arab.

A commie arab.

[Suave]

Whenever I read these neocommie posts I hear Phil Heartman as Bill McNeal "Good times.. good times"

[Jackal1]

Simply put......the cold war never ended by a long shot.
Russia has never been, nor will it ever be your "friend".

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Boroda, while I understand that you are fiercly nationalistic and that is fine, keep one thing in mind.  That while it is nice to have the resource, it requires major capital to exploit said resource.  Why else would Exxon, BP, and Texaco be investing massive amounts of dollars in that arena?  That alone is going to drive a lot of decisions for future supply and demand.

Exxon, PB or Texaco never could afford such titanic projects as Siberian oil and gas. Only the world's biggest corporation called USSR could. A corporation with 280 million employees.

Now Russian Federation has over $200 billion in national reserve, plus "stabilisation fund" over $50 billion. Go figure who can invest and who can't.

The problem is that our current regime is interested in eliminating population, not in investments and development. Take money and run is their motto.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Simply put......the cold war never ended by a long shot.
Russia has never been, nor will it ever be your "friend".

Same thing should be said about the US. So it goes. America isn't interested in "democracy" in Russia, it's interests were summed up by mr. Rumsfeld: they need us to work for free and die in wars instead of "civilized nations".

There is nothing bad or evil about such wishes, it's natural and pragmatic, but you have to understand it, and please, don't think that Russians will easily agree.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
You must be joking all your major gas companies are controlled by the government directly. They're a political leverage and far from capitalism.

The only reason governments aren't buying all of your supply and more is the fear of being dependant of russia. For some odd reason, nobody wants that.

International trade - always capitalism. If local baker doesn't give you bread for free - you don't say he's forcing you to pay, or uses "economical weapons" against you, right? Pay or learn to bake bread yourself, it's up to you. And for you it doesn't matter who "controls" the baker, at least if you simply want bread.

Nobody wants to pay the baker, er, to be "dependant" on other countries. So far only USSR could somehow survive in total isolation from world trade, but it was easier to buy many things abroad.

I don't understand why you post such obvious nonsence, is it a new western propaganda agenda?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Given that your own leader has stated that your aim is to become an energy superpower that's not so far fetched is it? It's 'creative' capitalism at most if you hook clients into dependency and then use the merchandise supply for a political agenda.

[Yeager]

the country that finds a way to generate cheap non polluting energy will rule the world.

Now is the time.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Rumor has it that it's already been invented but the oil companies keep it secret.

[Estel]

Originally posted by Yeager
the country that finds a way to generate cheap non polluting energy will rule the world.

Now is the time.

I afraid, that such country will be eliminated by other countries who have energy and rule the world now. It's just a business. And nobody will give you a choice to bankrupt a half of world, only because you found new super-energy source.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Boroda
America isn't interested in "democracy" in Russia