Bush Weighs Deploying Guard to U.S. Border

[Yeager]

Ah... the 911 card at last.
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that darned 9/11 card.  its almost like rove planned the attacks just to use that stupid card on worthless stuff

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
Legal to the lefties maybe...

According to that same commission, their lies were easily detectable. You can nit-pick all you want, but they came right through the front door.

The failures here have little to do with border security against Mexico.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Sandman
they came right through the front door.

What part of that do you not understand?  They used fraudulant documents to help ease their entry into the US.  Are you saying we should NOT tighten our borders?  WHAT exactly do you think we should do?

[StarOfAfrica2]

The very concept of America as "The Land of the Free" is altered by securing our borders with armed troops.  The way we have been doing things is flawed, without a doubt, and needs help.  But to go this far is overreacting and actually moves us toward what the Terrorists are trying to achieve.  Destruction of our way of life.  Destruction of our sense of Freedom and Liberty.  Willingness to give up more of such to feel safe.  

As the famous quote from Reagan says:

"The nine scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the Government and I'm here to help'."

[Suave]

It's about the economy stupid.

It's a ploy to expand the government and get more money for the Border Patrol.

"Don't want to militarize the border? Well then give us the $$$ for the Border Patrol and ancillary organizations."

Supply interdiction is a big economy, be it drugs or illegal labor. And as long as nobody addresses the source of the problem the tax dollars will keep flowing and the agencies will keep growing.

[john9001]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
The very concept of America as "The Land of the Free" is altered by securing our borders with armed troops.  The way we have been doing things is flawed, without a doubt, and needs help.  But to go this far is overreacting and actually moves us toward what the Terrorists are trying to achieve.  Destruction of our way of life.  Destruction of our sense of Freedom and Liberty.  Willingness to give up more of such to feel safe.  

As the famous quote from Reagan says:

"The nine scariest words in the English language are 'I'm from the Government and I'm here to help'."

explane how securing our borders would destroy my way of life,i think it would preserve my way of life.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Sandman
It'll be a great thing... right up until the moment when some overzealous guardsman shoots a kid.

why would it be a kid that is shot? adults are much bigger targets, the guard might even shoot one of the "guides" that bring the illegals over. is that a bad thing?

you always look for the worst.


PS, i didn't know the guard was allowed to carry loaded guns.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
Ah... the 911 card at last.

IIRC, all of the hijackers involved with 911 entered this country legally.

ahhh the "we were only attacked in THIS specific fasion so we only defend agaisnt that " card  

Sorry sir but saying we don't need to secure our borders against potential terrorist because the 911 hijackers were here legally is insanly stupid.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
What part of that do you not understand?  They used fraudulant documents to help ease their entry into the US.  Are you saying we should NOT tighten our borders?  WHAT exactly do you think we should do?

What part of "easily detectable" did you not understand?

Are we going to have National Guard patrolling the northern borders as well?

..and what about the 95% of cargo ships that come in uninspected?

Tighten away, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that our borders will ever be secure.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by john9001

you always look for the worst.

As a matter of fact, I do.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Suave
It's about the economy stupid.
 

Winner!

Always follow the money.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
What part of "easily detectable" did you not understand?

Are we going to have National Guard patrolling the northern borders as well?

..and what about the 95% of cargo ships that come in uninspected?

Tighten away, but don't fool yourselves into thinking that our borders will ever be secure.

So here's me:  This is a great start
You:  We weren't attacked that way on 9/11
Me:  It's still a great start
you:  Our northern border and cargo shipping still isn't secure
Me:  It's still a great start

[Mr Big]

nothing says "secured" like a good militarized border.

I don't see any reason why we should not guard our borders with troops and whatever else will help do the job. I guess some people would just rather do nothing.

It's not impossible to GREATLY reduce the amount of illegal, dishonest,  desease- carrying scumbags ( see how I'm being like Lazs? isn't it cute?)  sneaking across our borders.

We can go to the moon, but sealing our borders is impossible? If we spent a few billion, we could easily get our borders pretty damn tight. Nothing is perfect, but I'd bet we could reduce the flood of illegals by over 90% if we  wanted to.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
So here's me:  This is a great start
You:  We weren't attacked that way on 9/11
Me:  It's still a great start
you:  Our northern border and cargo shipping still isn't secure
Me:  It's still a great start

I have my doubts... but you already know that.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Mr Big
nothing says "secured" like a good militarized border.

Nothing says "Maginot Line" quite like a fence or militarized border between here and Mexico.