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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2006, 11:43:55 AM »
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Is it just me or does Anthony Kiedis now look like Iggy Pop?



More like the gay version of Iggy.


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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2006, 11:44:57 AM »
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old people....ugh:rofl



young kids and their corporate rock :rolleyes:



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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2006, 12:34:56 PM »
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btw they came out of the closet when they started making "power balads" a la motley crue's "home sweet home".  iirc that was well over a decade ago, so if you still havent noticed i suggest you upgrade your 'dar or start wearing a chastity belt.

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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2006, 06:46:38 PM »
Okay sorry to kick this up again... it's just got me thinking.

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If by "found their old sound" you mean lifted Tom Petty, then I guess they have." - Tarmac


That's a great catch. Of course you're talking about the verse of Petty's Mary Jane's Last Dance, which is similar to Lynyrd Skynyrd's Sweet Home Alabama. And before that? Someone else.

Of course, the choruses and bridges all go their separate ways and, at that point, the comparison ceases. But still...  this kind of thing is fascinating to me.

I remember reading a 'Best of' issue of Rolling Stone magazine, where they did a 'Best of' Letters to Rolling Stone. And they reissued this letter written to them by a mathematician, who predicted the end of rock and roll within 5 years. His case was that there was a finite number of chords, and a finite number chord progressions, and finite number of notes, and a finite number of ways to combine them into melodies, and on and on.... and that within 5 years every conceivable combination of those would be exhausted.

He wrote that in 1974.

It actually made a lot of sense, but it sure hasn't panned out that way... other than a noted similarity here and there between a verse to a song or a bridge to another song. The lawsuits over this have been extremely few and far between.

Which brings us back to this Chili Peppers album. For one thing, it's completely wrong to say that by "[finding] their old sound," they lifted Tom Petty, because it implies that the rest of the album also shares characteristics of a verse in some Tom Petty song - which doesn't happen. There are however many things about that single which you could trace back through to older Chili Peppers songs.

Anyways, we're playing this album at work, and one guy says "I like it, but all of the songs sound like radio hits." He's not sure, but leaning towards it not being a good thing. And that's another interesting observation.

When the Chili Peppers first got radio play, it was in '89 with 'Higher Ground', and was book ended by world singer Bon Jonvi and Poison and Steve Winwood. It predated "alternative" and grunge by 3 years, and there was nothing else like it on the radio.

When their sound became viable, there emerged a couple of like bands such as Fishbone.... but aside from a single or two, never opened any doors or by any means established the Chili Peppers' sound as somehow formulaic or mainstream. The only thing close was George Clinton and we know how much radio play he got.

In fact, when the Chili Peppers came out of a 3-year hiatus (or a drug induced nightmare) with Californication, it was in 1999, right dead center in the middle of The Spice Girls and 'N Sync - those untalented gits that drove the stake through alternative music - and garnered the Chili Peppers their first multi-platinum (14 million sold) record... out of nowhere.

So if any Chili Peppers song sounds too commercial, too radio.... think about it. They single handedly created that niche, and not only that.... nobody else has been able to ride on their coattails.

What happens when a Britney Spears blows up? They sign Aguleras by the boatload. What happens when a Nirvana blows up? They sign Pearl Jams and STPs by the boatload.

What happens when the Chili Peppers blow up? Nothing. Who do they sign? Who are the imitators? There's just nothing there. There's nothing comparable. That says a lot. They only sound like radio because they alone created a unique sound that radio picked up on which is now familiar to us.

Takes a hell of a band to do that.

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2006, 07:24:24 PM »
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Originally posted by Nash



When the Chili Peppers first got radio play, it was in '89 with 'Higher Ground', and was book ended by world singer Bon Jonvi and Poison and Steve Winwood. It predated "alternative" and grunge by 3 years, and there was nothing else like it on the radio.

When their sound became viable, there emerged a couple of like bands such as Fishbone....


By '89 The Chili donuts might have been more "radio friendly" for mainstream radio but stations like L.A.'s KROQ and San Diego's 91X had the Chili donuts in regular rotation years before that and not to mention the hundreds of college radio stations around the country that were regularly playing the Chili donuts.

As for Fishbone, they blended funk/soul, ska and rock to form their sound and took nothing from the Chili donuts.  A better comparison for Fishbone would be The Untouchables.

Oh...and Seatle bands like Mother Love Bone, Green River, MudHoney, Fastback, Soundgarden and other "grunge" bands were already around before '89.  It was just in the early '90's that "mainstream" radio "discovered" these bands and labeled the "new" music grunge.   Nor did the Chili donuts "predate alternative music".  Again, alternative music is a mainstream radio label for anything that wasn't mainstream rock.


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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2006, 07:29:14 PM »
Trust me ack.... I'm intimately familiar with all of that. I mean, why not go ahead and bring up Bob Mould or the Pixies or all of those bands that were all there at the time, but never broke.

I appreciate your grasp of history, but I'm not sure how it relates to what the Chili Peppers managed to accomplish.

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2006, 10:01:11 PM »
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Trust me ack.... I'm intimately familiar with all of that. I mean, why not go ahead and bring up Bob Mould or the Pixies or all of those bands that were all there at the time, but never broke.

I appreciate your grasp of history, but I'm not sure how it relates to what the Chili Peppers managed to accomplish.



Pixies never broke or Bob Mould?  LOL...Pixies were playing to 50,000+ arenas in Europe and Husker Du, well, if you never think they broke big...well I guess you might have been too young to remember them.  



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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2006, 10:10:33 PM »
Holy christ - what's with the attitude?

I wasn't "too young to remember," and if you think that Husker Du or the Pixies broke, then man.... we have an entirely different interpretation of the meaning.

I still don't know what you're trying to get at. Are you replying to my post, or do you want to head somewhere completely different?

If it's the former, then clue me in as to how that might be. If it's the latter, then be my guest.

So far, you're just confusing the hell out of me.

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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2006, 10:54:22 PM »
The Chile Peppers do have their own sound. I remember seeing them at the Mason Jar ( max capacity, maybe 300) way before they hit.

One of the best drummers, guitar player and bass player you will ever see. Totally unique.

Vocals are the weakness, but not really. Kind of like DLR and Van Halen.

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2006, 12:40:25 AM »
DLR was great.  
i heard "dance the night away" on the radio today, he was a real talent.  i was thinking about how maybe led zepplin might have been even better i you could have substituted DLR for robert plant....

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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2006, 12:48:55 AM »
Tom Petty lifted Mary Jane's Last Dance from Sweet Home Alabama?  That's a stretch.  Maybe it's because both songs are so well known that I can't hear much similarity besides the cut time 1 + 2 rhythm part - but they're completely different in the lead, not to mention Skynrd has the syncopated thingie in there too.    I don't have Dani California so I can't compare all three except from my memory of it, but I know the first time I heard it I thought the Chili Peppers were covering Petty until the vocals started.

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2006, 03:34:25 AM »
Ive seen the peppers in concert twice, and ive gotta say that besides Pantera, they are the only band that produces a show with the fans median age in the mid 20's....That has to say something about your "corporate rock/selling out"...


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