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Offline Reschke

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2006, 01:25:40 PM »
As I mentioned in a previous thread give Mexico Arizona and California and force them to repay relocated people from those states within 60 days or face invasion and take over from the United States. Then we can claim Mexico as a territory and give the people citizenship...which is what they all want anyway...and NAFTA (another Clinton administration screwup) goes away because now we own the cheap labor and they can come and go as they please without having to cross a border. Not to mention now we have a smaller border area to guard in southern Mexico and a thiriving tourist business with the longest coastline of any nation in the world....well maybe a toss up between the revamped USA and Austratlia then.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2006, 01:36:58 PM »
Those boots are going to cost money that could be saved by just enforcing the laws already 'existing'.
Why aren't the laws just enforced?
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2006, 02:30:44 PM »
moot... politicians are not interested in solving any problem.  Problems grow their power base.   They are scum.  A solved problem takes away power from them.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2006, 03:05:11 PM »
Bush is using this to sell his amnesty.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2006, 03:13:32 PM »
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...and NAFTA (another Clinton administration screwup)  


Be fair.

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November 13, 1979
While officially declaring his candidacy for President, Ronald Reagan proposes a “North American Agreement” which will produce “a North American continent in which the goods and people of the three countries will cross boundaries more freely.”

January 1981
President Ronald Reagan proposes a North American common market.

November 6, 1987
Signing of a framework agreement between the US and Mexico.

June 10, 1990
Presidents Bush and Salinas announce that they will begin discussions aimed at liberalizing trade between their countries.

August 21, 1990
President Salinas officially proposes to the US president the negotiation of a free trade agreement between Mexico and the US.

February 5, 1991
Negotiations between the US and Mexico aimed at liberalizing trade between the two countries officially become trilateral at the request of the Canadian government.

April 7 to 10, 1991
Cooperation agreements are signed between Mexico and Canada covering taxation, cultural production and exports.
 
May 24, 1991
The American Senate endorses the extension of fast track authority in order to facilitate the negotiation of free trade with Mexico.

June 12, 1991
Start of trade negotiations between Canada, the US and Mexico.
 


Clinton signed it but he didn't start it.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2006, 04:19:24 PM »
I beleive clinton had troops on the border as well  IIRC.  I remember troops helping out the DEA and a young kid got shot for taking a pop shot at them allegedly  (anyone remember this or the year?)
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2006, 04:43:59 PM »
In 1997, Ezekiel Hernandez was shot and killed by a Marine sniper on “anti-drug” patrol.
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2006, 06:24:11 PM »
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In 1997, Ezekiel Hernandez was shot and killed by a Marine sniper on “anti-drug” patrol.


Thanks Toad,

SO this is yet another thing that I don't like about some democrats.  They are all fine with a democrat president doing things but as soon as Bush does it they have to oppose him on it like it's their civic duty.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2006, 07:36:22 PM »
Guns... Which democrats, exactly, are you speaking of?  Are you referring to human beings or politicians?
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2006, 07:38:23 PM »
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Guns... Which democrats, exactly, are you speaking of?  Are you referring to human beings or politicians?


Good point but a little of both.  Many on here have criticised this decision and it seems like if Hary Reid was the one who proposed this it would be a different story for him.

Either way don't call me a fan here, I've been wanting this for almost 5 years now.
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2006, 07:41:33 PM »
I just haven't seen any opinions on Clinton putting troops at the border either way from anyone here.  Maybe I missed it.

As for Bush doing it, this decision drags him up a couple of notches in my book.  Still pretty worthless, but I like the gesture.  It'd be nice if he would just do something real, and seal that sucker up.
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2006, 08:37:32 PM »
Dune over at AGW said that they wouldn't actually have any enforcement abilities, is this true?
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2006, 08:46:16 PM »
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In 1997, Ezekiel Hernandez was shot and killed by a Marine sniper on “anti-drug” patrol.


Well said... more Marine Snipers on the border...*Hombre, How fast can YOU run Jefe?"

That or infest the Rio Grande with Phirana's... just a thought.  would be narly.


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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2006, 09:13:51 PM »
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In 1997, Ezekiel Hernandez was shot and killed by a Marine sniper on “anti-drug” patrol.


Any numbers of Border patrol Agents killed in the line of duty by criminals attempting illegal entry?

Any numbers of American citizens robbed or murdered by illegal immigrants?

???

The death of Ezekiel Hernandez was a tragedy.. certainly. Every death related to the trafficking of humans and drugs across the border is a tragedy. Including the hundreds (probably thousands) of illegals who have perished in the desert, of the thousands more who perished BEFORE they reached the border while crossing mexico illegaly..

Surely, you are not holding this single tragedy up as a reason to not deploy NG units for logistical, reconnisance and tactical support of the Border Patrol?
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2006, 09:28:10 PM »
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Well said... more Marine Snipers on the border...*Hombre, How fast can YOU run Jefe?"

That or infest the Rio Grande with Phirana's... just a thought.  would be narly.


:D


Ezekiel Hernandez was a US citizen, chum.

It was a terrible mistake but it's going to be the reason NG troops don't do any "enforcing".
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