Author Topic: Hazing..an American tradition! (Read 348 times)

VOR · « **on:** May 17, 2006, 10:28:54 AM »

Recently had the honor of initiating a new Junior into the NCO ranks. Traditionally, there's a "ceremony" in which the seniors welcome him aboard and make sure he gets off to a good start.

Mud is hard to find over here, so we had to make a little. What's a ceremony without props? (Yours truly manning the ceremonial yellow bucket of dry sand.)

Before anyone asks, nobody was (or ever is) hurt. "Will" is a great guy, a good sport and a fine junior leader who will do great things in the years ahead. Way to go!

Curval · « **Reply #1 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:51:17 AM »

Where is the beer bong and sheep? You just put mud on him? Couldn't you at least have found some horse droppings?

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2006, 11:02:25 AM »

Ah, yes. Hazing. It is too bad that high schools, colleges, fraternities, and most states now outlaw it.

Sixpence · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:15:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Ah, yes. Hazing. It is too bad that high schools, colleges, fraternities, and most states now outlaw it.

nah, just the sadistic kind

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:34:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
nah, just the sadistic kind

(A) As used in this section, "hazing" means doing any act or coercing another, including the victim, to do any act of initiation into any student or other organization that causes or creates a substantial risk of causing mental or physical harm to any person.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of hazing, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.

Unfortunately Ohio law does not differentiate between sadistic hazing and non-sadistic hazing.

Hawklore · « **Reply #5 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:39:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992

(A) As used in this section, "hazing" means doing any act or coercing another, including the victim, to do any act of initiation into any student or other organization that causes or creates a substantial risk of causing mental or physical harm to any person.

(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of hazing, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.

Unfortunately Ohio law does not differentiate between sadistic hazing and non-sadistic hazing.

How can someone become harmed from mud?

Well I can think of a few..

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 17, 2006, 01:42:44 PM »

It's unfortunate that those people who are hazed, are 75% more likely to feel part of the group and have a fun time in the group they are in.

The problem is when idiots make the hazing get out of hand. But this applies to everything else also, so it's sad that hazing is the scapegoat.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:44:34 PM »

hazing is just some gutless wonder lashing out at someone who he feels can't retaliate.

'getting even' for his own hazing by taking it out on someone who had nothing to do with it because he didn't have the guts to stand up to his own hazers.

organizations that have heavy hazing traditions set up a system where those at the top of the pecking order feel that the rules or even basic decency don't apply to them, those at the bottom are perpetual victims, and those in the middle kiss the bellybutton of those above them and vent their frustration on those below them.

if you let someone abuse you, you are a punk, even if they let you into their 'really cool club'.

Debonair · « **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2006, 09:56:31 PM »

where is the hazing stat from?
im just interested in the "feels part of the group" part.
how do they quantify that?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:00:40 PM »

I remember we used to have a fun tradition for new guys in the unit.

When you'd get in new troops that are boots they would have to get "Axe Qualed" (axe qualification)

We'd take them out in the field to a tree stump. We'd then place a quarter on it and then blindfold them. We'd tell them all they had to do was at least nick the quater with a small axe while blind folded and they pass. What they don't know is that we'd take something of theirs (usually their hat) and set it on the tree stump without them knowing. The would whack away trying to hit that quater while we would cheer him on. After a minute or two we'd tell him to "cease fire" and to remove the blind fold. Good times were had by all.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:01:29 PM »

Umm, they ask people from groups whether or not they have been hazed, and then whether or not they feel like they are part of the group.

That's as dumbed down as I can get it for you.

Debonair · « **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2006, 10:10:01 PM »

where you read it, was it fancied up with phrases like "perceived social acceptance"?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 18, 2006, 07:33:17 AM »

OMG THAT'S TORTURE!!! EVIL AMREEKANS!!!

Sandman · « **Reply #13 on:** May 18, 2006, 10:02:26 AM »

Hazing is all fun and games until somebody does something really hurtful and really stupid.

The Navy as pretty much banned hazing of any kind. The Shellback ceremonies of today are nothing compared to two or three decades ago. Same goes for the Chief initiations. Both we're allowed to continue after the official ban on hazing. The workaround was that these ceremonies were "voluntary".

I think they finally realized that the risk just wasn't worth the reward.

I remember hearing stories on the ship and even reading about a courts martial for a similar incident on another ship. The snipes (engine guys) had a little initiation of their own. They used to take a grease gun, insert it into the rectum of some noob and feel him full of grease.

VOR · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2006, 11:30:10 AM »

Well, stupid acts like that are the reason "hazing" makes the news. Geez...that's beyond too far. That's torture.

We rolled our guy around in the mud for about 10 minutes then joined him. It's all about unity and cohesion.

Guns, from my days on tanks we had a similar ceremony known as sledgehammer qualification. Substitute a track pad for a tree stump. Good times.