Author Topic: Hellllp! need a quick answer to a computer problem (Read 878 times)

Vipermann · « **Reply #30 on:** May 19, 2006, 10:13:13 AM »

I would want to know why the fan was half off the CPU. What jarred the computer good enough to do that? If it was jarred it is very possible that the mobo is shorting out. A classic symptom of a shorting motherboard is fans running but nothing else.

I would pull the mobo out and inspect it, then try running it outside the case.

68DevilM · « **Reply #31 on:** May 19, 2006, 10:51:59 AM »

DRED dont worry about your hardrives, theyll retain all info you had on your OS, well unless you screw them up that is......so you should be able to install them with a new mobo and not have to change a thing other than your bios

Roscoroo · « **Reply #32 on:** May 19, 2006, 11:15:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I thought AMD finally implemented thermal protection in thier CPU.

you only have protection with the newer 939 cpu's and/or you have to run a program such as the asus probe in the background to protect it ,even some of those dont shut down your pc , they just give a audible warning . depends on mb .

a 32bit athlon/barton without a fan defentally went POP and/or toasted the mb under it .

I use a soft paint brush and compressed air to clean mine .. (ive been know to use the vacumn too "but its not recomended " ) i dont take the fan off ..

Skuzzy · « **Reply #33 on:** May 19, 2006, 12:15:42 PM »

Intel CPU's have had thermal protection since the Northwood series.

I use a leaf blower in the garage to clean out the inside of my cases. Does not take long for a 300MPH gust to bust loose any dust. Cleans the PS out really well too.

Just have to make sure you have all your cables dressed and tied down, and avoid pointing it at fans for too long. They have a tendency to spin up to dangerous levels (i.e. exploding in a bazillion pieces.....trust me on this one).

I have since altered the dust-busting to include stops for all the fans.

beet1e · « **Reply #34 on:** May 19, 2006, 01:00:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I thought AMD finally implemented thermal protection in thier CPU.

Have they? I bought an AMD XP2600 for AH2 in 2003. By that time, they'd started to supply the required HSF unit along with the CPU, so at least you knew you were getting the right one, but I still had to mount it myself. Much easier now though - with a black plastic thumb grip on the lever - none of that nonsense about having to force down that sprung arm over the three plastic lugs on the mobo using a screwdriver.

Back around 1999, I don't think the CPUs were supplied with an HSF, and it was up to you to order the correct one!

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 19, 2006, 01:19:40 PM »

Some of the motherboards for the Socket A Athlons had thermal protection, but not the CPU itself. So if your motherboard didnt have it, or you turned it off, you could easily make the CPU go BOOM. I did it to a couple of em.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #36 on:** May 19, 2006, 06:35:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Vipermann
I would want to know why the fan was half off the CPU. What jarred the computer good enough to do that? If it was jarred it is very possible that the mobo is shorting out. A classic symptom of a shorting motherboard is fans running but nothing else.

I would pull the mobo out and inspect it, then try running it outside the case.

I'd like to know that very same thing.

coulda been the dogs (1 male golden retriever 1 female Chocolate Lab)wrestling around under my desk

Or my daughter. or my wife. As they were the only ones home.
Nothing looked out of place though.

Thinking maybe wife smacked into it while cleaning or something

Why do I think that may be it?

because she didnt do her usual moaning and groaning about my spending the money on a new mother board and CPU.

course she mighta not said anything because she knows by now it would'nt stop me.

but thats never stopped her before LOL

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #37 on:** May 19, 2006, 06:45:49 PM »

And the verdict is in

CPU definately fried
brought it in just out of morbid curiousity

Dunno bout the motherboard as I didnt have that checked out.

End result.

MB and CPU upgrade (when life gives ya a lemon. make lemonaid)

Ok I know this stuff isnt super duper. but They are better then what I had

And about all I could afford right now

Socket 939 AMD Anthon 3200+ CPU

Gigabyte K8 Triton series K8NSC-9 ATX socket 939

Price $286.18 including sales tax

should hold me for a while anyway.

think it'll play AH? LOL

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2006, 06:47:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy

I use a leaf blower in the garage to clean out the inside of my cases. Does not take long for a 300MPH gust to bust loose any dust. Cleans the PS out really well too.

Just have to make sure you have all your cables dressed and tied down, and avoid pointing it at fans for too long. They have a tendency to spin up to dangerous levels (i.e. exploding in a bazillion pieces.....trust me on this one).

I have since altered the dust-busting to include stops for all the fans.

Shop vac works great too

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #39 on:** May 20, 2006, 10:56:35 AM »

well she runs.

Windows wont boot though.
Send me to the screen where I can choose to boot in safe mode
but wont boot in safe mode.
Just keeps comming back to the same screen.

So I set it to boot from CD and it (so far) will let me enter the installation.
So Im guessing Im gonna haveta reformat and re-install windows.
there were a few files I would rather have not lost but nothing critical (anything absolutely critical I burn to CD).

anyone have any other suggestions?
Or is that the best path to take?

but gonna havego do this all later though as I have to go to my daughters dance recital.

goody goody. I get to spend 3 hours at a place watching other peoples kids dance for 2 hours 45 min and my kid for 15.
LOL

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** May 20, 2006, 10:57:12 AM »

LOL... you had this in the wrong thread for a moment.

Brenjen · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2006, 01:55:10 PM »

Lots of things can cause the boot to safe mode. Will it go ahead & boot normally if you let it do the countdown itself?

If it will not boot normally, go into the bios & choose default settings & shut down afterward, do not let the PC boot after. That's called a warm boot & the changes may not have taken effect. You might also try unplugging the P/S from the A/C source & remove the mobo batt & leave it out for three or four minutes. That will reset the bios. Put the batt in again & restart the P/C. If it gives you the same run-around & puts you back into the "loop" of not booting, try setting the jumper on your hard drive one of two ways:

if it is on "master" now, move it to "CS"

if it's on "CS" now, move it to "master"

Different mobos require different jumper settings sometimes. It's worth a try & you can always change it back.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #42 on:** May 20, 2006, 05:57:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
Lots of things can cause the boot to safe mode. Will it go ahead & boot normally if you let it do the countdown itself?

No
What is does is powerdown down entirely and I had to unplug the PS at the back of the machine (not on MB) and plug it back in for it to boot again

only let it count down that one time

Brenjen · « **Reply #43 on:** May 20, 2006, 07:26:31 PM »

Have you tried changing the jumper setting on the hard drive yet? That may get you going, of course it might not.

Try it & see, it's easy & quick & reversible.

Edit: something just occured to me. The windows OS is tied to the mobo. If you changed the mobo, you'll probably need to re-install windows & call Microslave & beg them to allow registering on the new mobo. It will entail lying to them probably, I have never had to swap mobo's without installing a new OS so I don't know for certain how the registration will work. You can read about the problem of re-registering a pre-registered copy of windows in their newsgroup forums...big to do about what constitutes a "new" or "different" PC. Microslave seems to link it to the mobo though.

Sorry I can't be of more assistance on that particular issue except to maybe shoot you a few links to discussions.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #44 on:** May 20, 2006, 11:08:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Brenjen
Have you tried changing the jumper setting on the hard drive yet? That may get you going, of course it might not.

Try it & see, it's easy & quick & reversible.

Edit: something just occured to me. The windows OS is tied to the mobo. If you changed the mobo, you'll probably need to re-install windows & call Microslave & beg them to allow registering on the new mobo. It will entail lying to them probably, I have never had to swap mobo's without installing a new OS so I don't know for certain how the registration will work. You can read about the problem of re-registering a pre-registered copy of windows in their newsgroup forums...big to do about what constitutes a "new" or "different" PC. Microslave seems to link it to the mobo though.

Sorry I can't be of more assistance on that particular issue except to maybe shoot you a few links to discussions.

Actually its up and running as we speak. in fact Im on it now.

Yup OS was the prob.
I booted from the CDrom and Windows Upgrade I had from when I installed XP on the machine I built for my wife

It has a "Repair" option which I selected so I didnt have to do a full install and I didnt loose any of the files I had.
Only took about 45 min too.

Still had to register with microsoft
but beleive it or not I did it over the phone and it was a snap
Just required me speaking the numbers the software gave me into their automated system.
The the same system gave me a set of numbers to type in.

No questions asked, no excuses made up. Was easy as pie

My main concern is that windows on this machine wasnt registered to me but from the Buddy of mine I got it from.
turned out to not be a worry at all.

the worst thing about the whole thing was I had to keep telling the kids to shut up while I was trying to pay attention to the numbers the autosytem was telling me.
Other then that was no problem at all.

Still have some tweaking to do and drivers to install and update as the repair removed a great deal of them. But. this is my first real test drive and so far so good.

Nice and quiet too.