Fix pintle guns

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I don't care what he said,you said or she said for that matter, i have had it happen too me.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
However, we don't have infantry who can be killed, even though they may have gotten lucky on rare occasion. We have tanks with guns which can't be disabled without taking the entire turret out, without any regard for realism in that particular area. What other weapons are immune to similar weapons? You can get your guns shot out while in a bomber, fighter, or attack plane when shot with just about anything, and the same is true for half tracks, amphibs, ship guns, field guns, and PT boats, but not for the MG up top on tanks.

Yes, but the planes in Aces high are not flown like they were in WWII.  Do you think aircraft circled masses of armor like they do in tank towns here risking being shot at by 10-20 pintle guns?  I have had guys come in so low for so long I've hosed them with my hull gun.  There is no secret to hiutting a plane diving on you from too close or pulling out and climbing straight away--any good bird hunter knows where ot lead it to hit it--yet you don't hit them all the time and you rarely shoot one down unless it's due to them crashing after you tagged them.

Did Lancasters fly 500 ft over a battlefield alloing their tails to be shot off?  I have killed them with cannons they have come in so low, slow and steady.

Careles, thoughtless and cartoonish flying makes for ease of hits with pintle's--not the gun being uber modeled.

The Pintle is vulnerable, how much I do not know but that is a valid question.

Sakai

[Brenjen]

What the point is I think, is that the pintle is linked to the entire turret for damage.

 As far as the pintle for air defense....Eh, it ain't all that, but it's slightly better than nothing at all. I can knock out a planes oil (turn him into a smoker) if they fly in straight & level & give me the chance. On the second pass, if they allow me to just hammer their engine for 800 yards, I can kill the engine. I have never had a plane just "blow up" mid air from a pintle gun attack. I love it when they fly right down the barrel of the main gun lol

[SirLoin]

Ya..make the pintle gun like a man-ack...a good strafe with mg's and poof!

[hubsonfire]

Sakai, the pintle gun is only disabled if the turret itself is disabled. It isn't a separate system, and no amount of mg or cannon fire will kill it, until the turret receives enough damage to "break".

And we're not talking about diving lancs, or strafing a plane hovering at 100' until it pops. The point is that the pintle doesn't die. A short burst from the pintle can and does injure the attacking pilot, or damage the radiator or oil systems. A long burst from the fighter does nothing to the pintle. If my Il-2 is incredibly vulnerable to light mg fire, how come the soft unprotected target isn't?

[Sakai]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
And we're not talking about diving lancs, or strafing a plane hovering at 100' until it pops. The point is that the pintle doesn't die. A short burst from the pintle can and does injure the attacking pilot, or damage the radiator or oil systems. A long burst from the fighter does nothing to the pintle. If my Il-2 is incredibly vulnerable to light mg fire, how come the soft unprotected target isn't?

Right, and I said that portion of the point was a good one.

But the whining about the deadliness of the pintle I was also addressing.

It's stupid and careless and cartoon like flying that makes people die in low strafing mode, not pintle guns.

Sakai

[Airscrew]

I'll ping'm with the pintle gun and the hull gun, its funny to watch some of them get startled and dip their wings and hit a tree,  cheap thrills but fun none the less