Author Topic: "The Runway is wet" (Read 2935 times)

SkyRock · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2006, 07:06:39 AM »

Some people get their rocks off filming complete stupidity and calling it a stunt. Twits with too much money and time on their hands.

mars01 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2006, 07:14:28 AM »

eagl you have it right.

I know a guy that has done this. He said it is very easy and almost feels like pavement. Can you fk it up, sure you can. Is it dangerous, yeah to people who don't have the skill and are not one with their planes. The biggest danger is the FAA and floating debris.

It's a very nice affect and, no bat there is not smoke. Smoke is created by injecting caster oil or the like into the exhaust stacks, fed from something like a gas tank (smoke tank) in the plane.

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Some people get their rocks off filming complete stupidity and calling it a stunt. Twits with too much money and time on their hands.

Your not talking about Morphs pic are you?

eagl · « **Reply #17 on:** May 22, 2006, 07:25:19 AM »

FAA rules are remarkably relaxed in suprising ways... As long as you don't endanger any non-involved people or structures, or violate the airspace rules, the FAA is quite willing to let pilots do almost anything they want.

The basic rule is 500 ft from structures and people, and don't endanger anyone. Other than that, it's almost anything goes when in uncontrolled airspace. That said, the determination of what is dangerous is entirely up to whatever FAA investigator looks into any complaints or alleged violations, so if you get a pompous jerkwad FAA goon in your business, you're screwed.

Like one FAA inspector who went on a rampage at an airport back in the early 1990s... He got a bug up his butt and grounded every plane on one airport ramp, yanked numerous licenses, revoked A&P certificates, you name it he did it. His justification was that everyone was involved in flying aircraft with damaged propellors.

Well, it was a company that sold custom props with "bent" tips specifically designed to increase efficiency, and they were totally legal and FAA approved. But it took a LONG time before complaints about this FAA inspector's actions got up through the FAA administrative red tape before they even looked into it, and it took even longer to un-do the damage he'd caused. If I recall correctly, the company never did recover the lost income revenue due to this guy.

Lots of FAA inspector horror stories, but they're pretty much all individuals doing this stuff. All by yourself outside of controlled airspace, if nobody complains then the FAA probably won't even bother to check. The burden is almost entirely on the pilot to not do anything stupid.

Brenjen · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2006, 07:32:09 AM »

I have to agree with mars, there is no smoke & the pic is real. I looked at it in photoshop & I can't see any pixels out of place, also look where the front/top/left plane skips across the water; no smoke, just spray.

Of course it looked real to me before that I just thought I'd give it a look to be sure, some of the trick pics you see are pretty well done.

Morpheus · « **Reply #19 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:30:59 AM »

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Morph,
You got it backwards. Water gets harder the faster you go, because it's not compressable. If you hit the water fast, it can't get out of the way adn it doesn't compress so it's worse than hitting a brick wall. At least bricks can crumble, but water doesn't move fast enough when you whack it hard. You ever see what happens to powerboat guys when their boat disentegrates at 200mph? They just go skipping across the water like a flat stone. They only dig in when a limb directly stabs the surface or when they slow down.

hehe eagl, I was being a smart ass. Fastest I've hit the water was when I got dumped off my jetski at about 55. I thought my world had come to an end. I twisted stuff I didnt know could twist. I would not want to do it again, any faster.

Edit: As far as what they're doing being dangerous or not... Call me a little girl then, because IMHO unless conditions are absolutely pristine, the water is calm and clear as glass, with no real wind to speak of, the surface of the water is going to poke its hand out and pull that gear down sooner or later. They have just a few inches to play with before hydroplaning becomes something else entirely. Why some of you are talking like this is something for everyone with a little free time to do on a sunday afternoon is beyond me.

wylieboy · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:38:12 AM »

I've seen this before somewhere and my only thought was OMG:O

navajoboy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:48:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
hehe eagl, I was being a smart ass. Fastest I've hit the water was when I got dumped off my jetski at about 55. I thought my world had come to an end. I twisted stuff I didnt know could twist. I would not want to do it again, any faster.

Edit: As far as what they're doing being dangerous or not... Call me a little girl then, because IMHO unless conditions are absolutely pristine, the water is calm and clear as glass, with no real wind to speak of, the surface of the water is going to poke its hand out and pull that gear down sooner or later. They have just a few inches to play with before hydroplaning becomes something else entirely. Why some of you are talking like this is something for everyone with a little free time to do on a sunday afternoon is beyond me.

my turn..

ur so dumb..

mars01 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 22, 2006, 08:59:37 AM »

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Edit: As far as what they're doing being dangerous or not... Call me a little girl then, because IMHO unless conditions are absolutely pristine, the water is calm and clear as glass, with no real wind to speak of, the surface of the water is going to poke its hand out and pull that gear down sooner or later. They have just a few inches to play with before hydroplaning becomes something else entirely. Why some of you are talking like this is something for everyone with a little free time to do on a sunday afternoon is beyond me.

Yeah you wouldn't want to do this on a windy day with white caps etc LOL.

Morpheus · « **Reply #23 on:** May 22, 2006, 09:08:46 AM »

lol Nboy, did I hurt your feelings?

Brenjen · « **Reply #24 on:** May 22, 2006, 09:13:10 AM »

Yeah if you notice the lead planes right wing is dipping up & down a bit & the surface of the water is very smooth which indicates no wind. I could just see them trying it with a stiff crosswind & 2 foot whitecaps.

SkyRock · « **Reply #25 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:23:07 AM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah you wouldn't want to do this on a windy day with white caps etc LOL.

I'm saying never is a good time to do this. It really is just a matter of an inch or two away from a group of pilots standing in a boat saying the trick wasn't worth Jim's life. It's kinda like playing russian rouhlette(sp chk) it might be a great high for those who are doing it but I'd rather not watch blatant stupidity.

Wow, I'm coming off harsh today.

mars01 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:31:24 AM »

We'll sky your misinformed bud.

When ever anyone is participating in an airshow they are taking mitigated risks no matter what they do. The trick is to be we'll trained, know your machine and practice all the time.

These guys are all of the above.

There are also some Bush pilots that will use this method to land, as mentioned above. Look for the video Big Rocks and Long Props. These guys will land on sandbars and beaches, that are way to short, all day long using the water as their runway so that they are just reaching the beach, rockpile, sandbar as they start to sink.

As far as just some GA guys going out and trying this, well yeah then your response would apply.

icemaw · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:37:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Vad
Water is not so dangerous:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-11_into_a_wave.WMV

BTW, it is good site, a lot of amazing videos

HOW IN THE HECK DID THAT GUY FLY AWAY FROM THAT!!!!

Grits · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2006, 10:59:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
hehe eagl, I was being a smart ass. Fastest I've hit the water was when I got dumped off my jetski at about 55. I thought my world had come to an end. I twisted stuff I didnt know could twist. I would not want to do it again, any faster.

It gets exponentially worse as you go faster too Morph. My fastest race jetski had a top speed of somewhere in the 75-80 range. I came off of it once at top speed and I can tell you, it hurt, a lot. My Mom was at that race but looked away for a second and my crew didnt want her to look back because they thought I was hurt pretty bad. I dont remember most of it after I hit the water, but I do remember thinking as I was flying through the air "this is not good".

Water is hard.

Slash27 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2006, 11:03:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
It gets exponentially worse as you go faster too Morph. My fastest race jetski had a top speed of somewhere in the 75-80 range. I came off of it once at top speed and I can tell you, it hurt, a lot. My Mom was at that race but looked away for a second and my crew didnt want her to look back because they thought I was hurt pretty bad. I dont remember most of it after I hit the water, but I do remember thinking as I was flying through the air "this is not good".

Water is hard.

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