Israel?

[rpm]

You guys read me wrong. I don't think Israel will be the aggressor. Islamic fundamentalists would attack, Israel will strike back. It will escalate, nukes will fly, lots of them.

I don't think the jewish voting population make the demand, but rather those in very influential positions and there are a lot in banking, industry and Wall Street.

[Debonair]

oh, you mean the short ones with big noses smoking cigars

[Saintaw]

Lazersailor... for one who dices hollywood most of/all the time, you sure seem to be living in a movie... or at least seem to hang on to every cliche out there...

[Momus--]

The truth about the US/Israeli relationship.

[AVRO1]

The Israel lobby in the US is very powerfull indeed.

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8730

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

The political analysts in the second article were accused of anti-semitism.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by ghi
I  see the meeting Bush/Ehud Olmert today, like a preparation for the war predicted by Ezekiel, this should take place soon and mark the beginning of the end  

Not as long as that Mosque stands in place of the old temple. I have not heard any credible sources plan to detroy it and rebuild the temple yet.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Lazersailor... for one who dices hollywood most of/all the time, you sure seem to be living in a movie... or at least seem to hang on to every cliche out there...

I'll let this pass because you just don't live in America.  


Any liberal who spends more then 10 minutes thinking about it would find the idea of liberal jews as mind baffling.

[Saintaw]

You'll "let this pass"? Wow... I'm impressed.

[lasersailor184]

Alright, I'll give you an example.

A madman one day gains power.  He hates your people.  He takes away your guns, your rights, your dignity and your money.  After doing this he marches your people into ovens, showers, and live pits to kill all of you.


Now, tell me how you could possibly NOT BE conservative after this.

[storch]

I think we should double the military allowance to Israel.  Then we should encourage them to annex a small parcel of land in western europe so that we might have a friendly ally in the fastest growing region of arab conquered territory, I was thinking ... I dunno....luxembourg maybe?  then we might consider helping aquire all of hyde park next.

[Saintaw]

Don't need you to "explain" to me your narrow view on things... I think i got it... and that was not the point of my remark. You live in a world of heroes, fame and pink... ain't that way. It's money, power and all gray.... but perhaps, i fail to understand that because I don't live in america.

eh.

[Saintaw]

Sorry storch, foreigners no' welcome here!

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by rpm
We HAVE to back Isreal. The jewish population of the US demands it, not to mention it's the moral thing to do.

If we pulled all support, it would take about 30 seconds for an all out holy war the likes of which the world has never seen and never will again.

USA was not as huge a supporter of israel until the 1970s arab oil embargo when tghe french nad british decided to limit their ties with Israel due to arab pressure.  So there isnt really a US historical moral obligation to support isreal to the extent we do today.

[bozon]

Originally posted by Momus--
The truth about the US/Israeli relationship.

Thanks for posting it. I've read about this paper but now actually read it for the first time.

It confirmed my suspicions that this is a load of crap written by educated people who read alot but understand little. I will not assume they have their own ajenda although that is another possibility. They fail to understand even the most basic relationship between Israeli Jews and American Jews, not to mention the much more complicated layers. They also do not understant the 1st thing about what's going on between Israel and the Palestinians and expect Israel to be an american puppet.

Probably most americans who will read the parts about the Jewish lobby will resent them. Me, as an Israeli, read it and feel it is humiliating to the americans. Lobbying is part of any democratic political system (the gun lovers will be the 1st to tell you that). If 1.7% of the population, that have negligible voting power but employ other influence, can control your polical system in the way described there, it can only mean:
* Your political system is as corrupted as a 3rd world goverment. You can stop calling yourself a democracy and start growing bananas.
* Everybody else are a bunch of idiots no smarter than baboons.
Either way I'd be insulted.

The attitude of the American goverment toward Israel should be criticized. Most of all it should be criticized by Israel, unless we plan on becoming the 53rd star on your flag (maybe a little star of david? ). The way the winds are blowing, I want my goverment to keep some distance from the bear hug of the US.  The old Israeli foreign policy (Ben-Gurion time) was not to allign to any side completely. I would like to see it back.

Bozon

[Momus--]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'll let this pass because you just don't live in America.

Any liberal who spends more then 10 minutes thinking about it would find the idea of liberal jews as mind baffling.

The majority of American Jews consider themselves moderates or liberals. Less than 25% identify themselves as conservative. 80% of US Jews that voted turned out for Gore in 2000. Even Kerry got 69% in 2004. I imagine that this is because jews tend to be of above average intelligence and education.

You only find it baffling because reality differs from your preconceptions.

A madman one day gains power. He hates your people. He takes away your guns, your rights, your dignity and your money. After doing this he marches your people into ovens, showers, and live pits to kill all of you.
....Now, tell me how you could possibly NOT BE conservative after this.

What are you talking about? Fascism was a reactionary conservative phenomenon. Try again.