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Offline Russian

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« on: June 13, 2006, 04:44:44 PM »
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It's hard to belive someone in a right mind would so something like that.... :cry

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2006, 05:12:04 PM »
"Making the world safe for autocracy...err...democracy."

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2006, 11:27:35 PM »
It will make beetle so proud.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 12:45:03 AM »
Damn shame.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2006, 09:12:04 AM »
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry   Thats a whole lotta pistolas!@!!
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 09:16:05 AM »
why is it do you suppose that the most tyrannical governments allways have the strictest gun controls.

Also... I didn't think there was a way you could destroy a makarov.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 10:07:56 AM »
Before someone posts this quote... Which I love even if it is fake.


The "Hitler" Quote That Wouldn't Die: "1935 Will Go Down In History!"

"This year* will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
         ---Falsely attributed to Adolf Hitler, "Abschied vom Hessenland!" ["Farewell to Hessia!"], ['Berlin Daily' (Loose English Translation)], April 15th, 1935, Page 3 Article 2, Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann [Introduction by Eberhard Beckmann].

This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date given (*in alternate versions, the words "This year..." are replaced by "1935..." has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been a need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government were already in effect. The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938.

The citation usually given for this quote is a jumbled mess, and has only three major clues from which to work. The first is the date, which does not correspond (even approximately) to a date on which Hitler made a public speech, and a check of the texts of Hitler's speeches does not reveal a quotation resembling this (which is easily understandable when you realize that "Hitler" is commenting on a non-existent law). The second clue is the newspaper reference, which if translated into German resembles the title of a newspaper called Berliner Tageblatt, and a check of the issue for that date reveals that the page and column references given are to the arts and culture page! No Hitler speech appears in the pages of Berliner Tageblatt on that date, or dates close to it, because there was no such speech to report.

Finally, the citation includes a proper name "Eberhard Beckmann," which is sometimes cited as "by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann," which is an important clue itself, because it reveals that the citation was fabricated by someone who had so little knowledge of the German language that they were unaware that "Einleitung" isn't the fellow's first name!

The only "Eberhard Beckmann" which has been uncovered thus far did indeed write introductions, but he was a journalist for a German broadcasting company after WWII, and he wrote several introductions to photography books, one of which was photos of the German state of Hesse (or Hessia), which may be the source of the curious phrase "Abschied vom Hessenland!" which appears in the citation. This quotation, however effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud.

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2006, 12:16:55 PM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
"Making the world safe for autocracy...err...democracy."


The funniest thing is that Estonian laws allow small firearms posession and IIRC even consealed-carry. TT is a quite popular gun there, as well as a PM.

At the same time they became NATO members and have to follow NATO weapon standards, so - they bought M-14s from the US as a main infantry weapon. This mass-destrucion is probably a part of the deal for buying US-made weapons.

This tiny Baltic "countries" always make me wonder. They join the EU and have their food-market totally screwed up, then they join NATO and have to adopt foreign weapons instead of using old Soviet stock, etc. I wonder how Estonia joinded NATO - they still have border not defined with Russian Federation.

Latvia is the most funny out of that three countrues. They dismantled a Soviet-built nuclear power-station, that was probably their only source of income (selling electricity to Poland and other neighbours).

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2006, 12:21:55 PM »
They bought M-14's huh. I wonder who they got them from.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2006, 12:34:39 PM »
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Beginning in the early 1970s thousands of M14 rifles were given to several nations under military aid programs. In the 1990s alone, over 100,000 of these rifles have been given away to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan, and Turkey.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as15-e.htm

Doesn't sound like a bad deal.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 12:45:08 PM »
I was curious as the more M-14's left on this side of the ocean means more available here to choose from.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2006, 04:19:19 AM »
Oh well, they can always make some more.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2006, 08:05:47 AM »
Hawklore I now know why misquotes live on so long. The corrections take too long to read! :)

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