Author Topic: UN wants more respect from US (Read 2269 times)

Stringer · « **Reply #75 on:** June 08, 2006, 06:35:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Both links you showed were to reports dated 2004. I'm looking for someone with 20/20 foresight.

What I'm looking for is the leader who's intel showed him what was what beforehand and made a statement saying so.

The link I showed references Bliz's report to the UN just BEFORE we went into Iraq, specifically the part that says

"But U.N. reports submitted to the Security Council before the war by Hans Blix, former chief U.N. arms inspector, and Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency, have been largely validated by U.S. weapons teams. The common findings:

Iraq's nuclear weapons program was dormant."

That's why I started my post of by saying it might not be exactly what you were looking for, but it does show that the UN Security Council and presumably, the Leaders of those Council members by extension, had such a report that said the WMD program was dormant.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #76 on:** June 08, 2006, 06:54:00 PM »

Yeah, but Blix ended his March 7 2003 report with,

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How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions.

I appreciate your post Stringer, but Blix did not have the foresight and statement I am looking for. He did not say WMDs did not exist, he just asked for more time and prudence.

I think the leader and statement I seek do not exist.

Dago · « **Reply #77 on:** June 08, 2006, 06:57:28 PM »

Dang, how did I miss this fabulous thread???

I love this quote from the article :

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and engage with the American public to say the UN matters,

Why would anyone want to lie? As many have stated, the UN has become so irrelevant it isn't even funny. The UN could serve a purpose in the world, if it ever showed the integrity and brains to do it, but the greed and power mongering will prevent that for years to come.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #78 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:11:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
The UN will get more respect from the USA when they have earned it. So far, the UN has NOT earned my respect.

Tac · « **Reply #79 on:** June 08, 2006, 07:45:30 PM »

I've said it back then and i'll say it again: Why can't people stop regurgitating what the boob toob tells them?

Iraq's threat was WMD's. It was removed. Was it Nuclear? I dont know. But they were working on it.

Bio-Chems?? YES.

People freak out with the atomic bomb yet fail to realize that chemical weapons and biologicals are far deadlier, far easier to produce and far easier to 'deploy' . Iraq had bio-chems and HAD used them against its own population.

After the first gulf war it became clear that Hussein was not only willing to invade its neighbors but also AFTER his defeat he became MORE likely to export such weapon tech.

Thus that threat had to be removed. And the threat are not the stockpiles of weapons but the SCIENTISTS and the infrastructure used to create the weapons. It really is better to sell the secret of how to make a weapon than to sell the actual weapon especially if your country is being blockaded.

Thus the US and allied forces went in and took out as many of the scientists and infrastructure to make these weapons.

However, try explaining THAT to the average tv viewer around the world. This is beyond their capability to think and understand. Its far easier to give them the 'nuke' word (which they do understand) as a reason even if later on it is proven there were no nukes. Heck even now i doubt people will understand the nature of the threat.

And yes, the UN is completely useless for global military matters and decisions. Too many interests colliding and make it ineffective. It is a good humanitarian institution but really, they should give up on the 'world police' aspect of it and concentrate on the law, bussiness and humanitarian side.

The UN would work if it had its own military but that will never happen.

midnight Target · « **Reply #80 on:** June 08, 2006, 08:18:21 PM »

Stringer · « **Reply #81 on:** June 08, 2006, 09:22:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeah, but Blix ended his March 7 2003 report with,

I appreciate your post Stringer, but Blix did not have the foresight and statement I am looking for. He did not say WMDs did not exist, he just asked for more time and prudence.

I think the leader and statement I seek do not exist.

True enough Holden. But wasn't the onus on this Admin to prove their accusation, not on Blix to prove a negative?

Look, I voted for Bush in '00 (but wrote in Powell in '04), and I think the international community didn't have to make a definative "They don't have WMD's" proof statement, but I do think our Admin needed more than "Yes they do have WMD's" statement to invade. They needed proof. They didn't have it.

I know we justified some of this by showing that Iraq didn't prove that they just didn't have them, but also that they destroyed them, but we sure didn't support our case, IMO.

Elfie · « **Reply #82 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:07:38 PM »

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They needed proof. They didn't have it.

Actually, they did have proof. That proof was in the CIA report. Lots of the stuff in that report still hasnt been accounted for that I know of.

If Iraq did indeed destroy the stuff, then why didn't they have it verified?

Personally, I think they either hid the stuff or, moved it out of the country. We'll probably never know for sure though.

Dago · « **Reply #83 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:16:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Actually, they did have proof. That proof was in the CIA report. Lots of the stuff in that report still hasnt been accounted for that I know of.

If Iraq did indeed destroy the stuff, then why didn't they have it verified?

Personally, I think they either hid the stuff or, moved it out of the country. We'll probably never know for sure though.

I think you are quite probably very close to the truth, if not dead on the truth. History may well show the war prevented a proliferation of WMD.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #84 on:** June 09, 2006, 12:21:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
True enough Holden. But wasn't the onus on this Admin to prove their accusation, not on Blix to prove a negative?

Not questioning that at all.

What I do see as a little revisionist is those who seem to forget that it wasn't just "Bush's cherry picked CIA reports" claiming WMD presence, it was several independent foreign intel agencies backing up Bush's claims to some degree. I remember no group that got it right (at least as it looks today.)

The opposition reasoning to Bush's decision just said let the inspectors have more time, not that Saddam was clean. Nobody got the intel right enough to be righteous about it.

Nilsen · « **Reply #85 on:** June 09, 2006, 12:59:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Since you are trading stocks on a nearly daily basis.....doesnt that make you a capitalist? Maybe I should get some extra hamburgers ready?

I just exploit the filthy capitalist pigs! The money goes goes straight to our farming collective and some to the party.

Elfie · « **Reply #86 on:** June 09, 2006, 02:31:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
I just exploit the filthy capitalist pigs! The money goes goes straight to our farming collective and some to the party.

You crack me up Nilsen. I'm still gonna get more hamburgers ready for ya.

Nilsen · « **Reply #87 on:** June 09, 2006, 02:38:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
You crack me up Nilsen. I'm still gonna get more hamburgers ready for ya.

Your dead cow i can eat, but keep that capitalist crack narcotica and rock & roll music to yourself pig!

Elfie · « **Reply #88 on:** June 09, 2006, 02:39:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Your dead cow i can eat, but keep that capitalist crack narcotica and rock & roll music to yourself pig!

lazs2 · « **Reply #89 on:** June 09, 2006, 09:17:26 AM »

Goomba has put into words the sentiment of most Americans who actually think about it.... Not the pasty hand wringing guilt monger liberals but the real Americans. Myself... I don't really care who hates us or why they are so petty as to be jealous...

I simply realize that is the case and deal with each case of American bashing as it surfaces. I simply asssume that no matter what an American does... there is a very large gay socialist your-0-peean contingent that will spew out their hate.

I want no part of them having any say at all in what America does. I want out of the scum filled, morally rotten UN with it's cannibals and despot headed human rights commitees.

As for WMD.... it was a big county iraq was... the UN had a small team of inspectors who were being dennied access to things they wanted to see. They were being jerked around just like a guilty despot with hidden WMD might do.... We told him that he had to live up to what the UN had agreed to and he said stuff it. The UN did nothing. We did something.

lazs