Author Topic: Dunno if this made the news in the USA... but... (Read 698 times)

Tarmac · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2006, 02:25:02 PM »

yeah, I can understand the mentality to some extent. But the mountain will be there tomorrow, the dying guy will not.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2006, 05:54:47 PM »

I dunno, some of the guys that were left there by mountain climbing morons are still there, so the guy they left to die will likely be there tomorrow just like the mountain is.

The problem is guides are taking people up who have no business being there. Lack of ethics. They take people's money, take them climbing, and if the people die, they just die.

Maverick · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:02:37 PM »

We must ban climbing mountains. If we do this we can save lives, some of those lives could have children. Think of the children, Ban mountain climbing now for the sake of the children!!! Or at least until the brits try to have folks turn it in to the Police.

Curval · « **Reply #18 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:09:16 PM »

"The climbing community says that if Inglis had taken him back he could've put himself in danger - siting another climber who stayed with a sick client and both died - however, this was on the way up and Inglis went on to climb to the peak... and return."

This really "tears" it for me. The guy kept going up. That's just wrong.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #19 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:09:38 PM »

Just wear a parachute, if you get too sick to keep climbing, jump off a ledge and pop your chute.

Curval · « **Reply #20 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:11:04 PM »

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Or at least until the brits try to have folks turn it in to the Police.

Jeeze Mav....still stewing over another thread or something? Where did this come from?

Mr Big · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2006, 06:19:24 PM »

If I saw a human being anywhere who was in distress like this man was, I would stop whatever the f**K I was doing and do whatever I possibly could for him.

I don't understand how so many people could have just passed him by as he sat there dying. That's criminal in my opinon.

Maybe the guy would have died anyway, but why in the f**K are dozens of people just walking by him and continuing their awesome climb as though it's just tough luck for the poor bastard?

Brenjen · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2006, 09:23:43 PM »

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There is no way for "average joe" to get anywhere near the base camp in Southern circus.It's not an amusement park, it requires high above average mountain skills, physical conditions and will. Climbing Everest means that you need to push close to the line between life and death, to the complete exaustion, over any sane limits of self-preservation.Maybe you meant that "average joe" is someone like Charles Evans and Tom Bourdillon and "professional climbers" are maniacs like Reingold Messner?...

No; I meant anyone with the $26,000 or however much it is now, to be guided up the mountain. The average joe in skills of course, not financially. Double amputees & kids go up that mountain. You need to check into a climb package, if you can pass the physical & have the cash, you're climbing partner.

Boroda · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2006, 11:40:50 AM »

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Dont forget your dealing with people that climb mountains just because "the mountain is there".......whats more they climb mountains so high into the atmosphere theres no air to breath and it nearly kills them just to get to base camp.........

Oxygen equipment was first used by British expedition to Everest in 1922. Sir John Hunt's 1953 Everest expedition already had two types of oxygen devices, and since that time it became much lighter and convenient. In 1953 all British mountaneers ascended clearly shaved, so the oxygen mask fits better.

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these are not regular ordinary people....these people are certified lunatics. Of course they are going to walk right past a dying fellow lunatic climber. I wouldnt be the least bit surprised to find out that it has happened plenty of times before

Of course I never could imagine that such people will be able to leave a dieing man up there. Even in Nanga-Parbat 1934 expedition that I mentioned above two alpinists who successfully went down to camp 4 desperately tried to go back up to help their friends who by some mysterious reason got stuck between camp 8 and camp 7, even after it became obvious that they are dead...

Working on rescue missions is much more important then any ascent, I didn't ever hear about anyone refusing to help, this is probably the first such accident I know about... I'll never shake hands with people who did such things.

OTOH I don't know what I'll do in Ingles' place.

The situation is absolutely insane, when a person assisting a double-amputee has to decide what to do while there are other climbers aware of the situation and doing nothing. He had to offer his help to other people trying to rescue a dieing man, and they should refuse, but damn - everyone was passing by and watching the poor man die!

There is something very wrong with moral this days

People I know will probably risk their life but not leave anyone that way.