P-51B and P-51D in game

[wrag]

Originally posted by red26
I tried to set my veiws in the 51D and it still looks like in in a F4u I dont know why its not moving to were I can see over the seat but Its not. I still have a big metel plate there nomatter how far up to the top of the canopy I move my pilots body. And my commamder wont let me put any books under me LOL so what do I do guys????[/COLOR]   HELP!!!

Are you using pan view or instant?

Try looking AROUND the seat...............

If using instant view go to your 6 view (hat switch) and HOLD it in the 6 view.  While HOLDING the 6 view press the right or left arrow key until you move all the way against the side of the cockpit.  Then press pageup or pagedown to adjust from there then press F10 to set THEN you can release your 6 view.

NOTE: this is the way you set all views (but the forward view), HOLD the view hat in the view you wish to adjust, and adjust with the keys, then press F10 to set, then release that hat view.

That is what I did and I can see pretty good out rear view of a pony.  Either the B or D.

If you are displeased with the view you get HOLD that view with your view hat (don't need to do that with the forward view) while pressing the "Home" key on your keyboard and then press f10 and the default view returns.

[JAWS2003]

Originally posted by red26
the P-51B and the P-51D canopys are backwards In the B you could not look behind you because of the back of the canopy was not glass the canopy on the D was a like a bubble canopy called a phantom canopy you could see all around you  now in the game when you fly a 51D I cant see behind me at all but in the 51B I can,Is there a way to change this detal???? :O

That's because they didn't model the right cage canopy for the P-51B. They modeled the Malcolm Hood. Something like a spitfire canopy. Was installed on British Mustangs and later on P-51C and retrofitted on some P-51B's. But ONLY on the western front, after April 1944. No Mustang in Med or Pacific had it.

 They modeled the field mod instead of the regular serial base model.

Double standards, if you ask me.

[TDeacon]

Not sure what you mean by "double standard"?

The Malcolm hood is historically appropriate for HTC's Combat Tour project, currently in development.  (Also, it's cool looking.)       :-)

Once Combat Tour is released, perhaps they will add another P-51b model with the original canopy.  However, if I had to choose, I'd go with the Malcolm hood.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by JAWS2003
That's because they didn't model the right cage canopy for the P-51B. They modeled the Malcolm Hood. Something like a spitfire canopy. Was installed on British Mustangs and later on P-51C and retrofitted on some P-51B's. But ONLY on the western front, after April 1944. No Mustang in Med or Pacific had it.

 They modeled the field mod instead of the regular serial base model.

Double standards, if you ask me.

Yup sure is a double standard .
Why don't the spits have em. Bet there were a lot more spits than 51s with the Malcolm hood.

Thanx jaws for the excellent point.




Bronk

[TDeacon]

Bronk, while the support you give to your friend Jaws is praiseworthy, you guys are not well-informed on this issue.  

The Malcolm hood was designed by the British for the P-51; they were not used on Spitfires.  If you look at the Malcolm hood, it looks very similar to the standard Spitfire hood.  I assume (although do not know for sure) that the shape of the Malcolm hood was inspired by the shape of the standard Spitfire hood, which came first.

BTW, my avatar is better than your avatar.

[Bronk]

TDeacon  I was being sarcastic.
Jaws I am assuming was most probably whining about the double standard luftwaffe get.
I was just poking at him a little.
The emoticon for sarcasm is not good soo i chose the cheese eating grin one.

Bronk


Edit :  Although I am not 100% sure I still believe it was still called the Malcolm hood on spitfires.

[JAWS2003]

Well this is the true. The cage canopy should be the default one for P-51B. (They can make another one if they one with malcolm hood and call it Mustang III or P-51C).
 I mean you model the BF-109 G6 strictly to early 1943 standards ( early canopy, no 30mm cannon) and in the same time you add for the P-51B a late field modification, that was introduced to fix a major flaw of the aircraft. That only for the planes based in England.

The TOD is not an excuse.
 For end of 1943- April/May 1944 there should be only cage canopies.
 After that so you get the P-51D with bubble canopy.

If we go by historical facts in TOD there should be no P-51 before April 1944, since we don't have the right version.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by TDeacon

BTW, my avatar is better than your avatar.

Umm sorry Bronks avatar beats yours by a mile and a hogs a**.

[red26]

The outher weekend I went to a airshow and was looking at a P-51D and I talked to the pilot he said if you sat in one with out the chute under your but you couldnt see to your 6 but with the chute under you you could look strait behind you at the tail. He said in the game witch he dosent play yet but he said he would check it out but he said you shold be able to look all the way around you with out that plate there. He also said that the head rest only came up to the bottom of yout head just enough for suport. But what do I know Ive never sat in one my self.

[red26]

Ok guys Im sory for all the grief I gave I finnaly got to get back on line and do the tings yall were saying and it all works thank yall so much and agin I sorry that I was being a baby about it all. BUT here is a new fact I found out this weekend the bubble canopy on the D makes it 5 mph slower than the B funny huh the bubble has a lot of drag behind it.

[Stang]

LOL.  Good call, Dok.