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Offline Tac

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12X .303 Hurricane Mk1 please
« on: June 17, 2006, 12:10:06 AM »
Shouldnt be too hard eh? just add more guns to that puppy!

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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2006, 01:27:48 AM »
add 12mm & 20mm VVS mix while thy're at it also, maybe?:aok :aok :cool: :eek:


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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2006, 07:28:39 AM »
Then can we have the 38L "superstrafer" with 12x50s?  It had 8x50s in the nose and carried 2 wingpods each having 2x50s.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2006, 10:01:44 AM »
Wont those be pretty heavy and only suited for ground attack?

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2006, 05:08:38 PM »
HTC....please dont touch the hurrimk1 its perfect as it is
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Re: 12X .303 Hurricane Mk1 please
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2006, 05:31:17 PM »
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Shouldnt be too hard eh? just add more guns to that puppy!

So far as I know there never was a Hurricane Mk I with twelve .303s.

There was a Hurricane Mk IIb that was armed with twelve .303s though.  Many pilots had the four extra .303s removed as they had a noticable manuverability cost while adding little lethality.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2006, 07:09:14 PM »
Actually I read that it wasn't the case that they were removed, so much as the entire fleet of IIB's was moved to ground attack duties, and didn't need the firepower as much (the firepower which was intended to help down bombers better, but the IIC and its 4xHispanos did that MUCH better)

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2006, 10:47:28 PM »
Wouldn't you think the added weight from the ammo, as well as the guns, would lead to reduced manouverability though, Krusty?
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2006, 01:10:59 AM »
VVS had the number of guns cut down for the weight issue, iirc.
there is a page or two on the issue & the VVS alternative mixed arms in

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2006, 11:12:25 AM »
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Wouldn't you think the added weight from the ammo, as well as the guns, would lead to reduced manouverability though, Krusty?


Nirvana, I think it might a little, but consider aircraft like the Fw190 with wing gun options, the C202 with wing gun options... The performance loss is not prohibitively bad, unless you're at extreme altitude.

The IIBs were introduced because the Mk1s weren't able to quickly kill bombers in the BOB. The IIBs were still unable (adding 50% 303 caliber MGs is still just more 303 caliber rifles). The next design was the IIC, much more capable of taking down bombers with Hispanos. The IIB was a transitional craft, a short-life-span development. The IIBs left in service as the IICs came out were shifted to ground attack. They were called "HurriBombers" or some such. They dashed across the channel, dropped bombs, or strafed things, then dashed back home. Don't need much manuverability for that -- I'm guessing most kept the MGs for strafing (pure speculation here) because when you're jabo you don't need to be nimble.

As another note: There was a IIB in Warbirds, or AW, or some previous game. Folks that remember it claim it was still very manuverable.

My reckoning: If you take one of the most manuverable planes in the game and add more weight, you're still getting a VERY nimble plane (if not "one of the most nimble in the game") -- it's still relatively able to outturn most in the plane set :)

I'm all for the IIB being added. It just didn't play a big part. It was a minor variant that had production stopped rather quickly. I don't expect to see it any time soon.

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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2006, 11:14:27 AM »
Debonair, I'm not entirely sure the guns were changed for weight reasons. I think it was partly because they wanted to use their own guns, that they had parts for, and that they had their own ammo for, and because 8x 303 caliber guns are still fairly weak. I think the VVS realized this. I don't think it was weight related because the Hurr Mk1 was already one of the most nimble aircraft in the skies at the time. You wouldn't take a A6M2 and say "Hrm.. need to lose some weight" and remove both cowl MGs, would you? Doesn't make that much sense.

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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2006, 03:07:28 PM »
Prefer the Sea Hurri (navalised IIc) over the 12 MG one.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2006, 08:09:16 PM »
I would be nice to have the 8 3 inch rockets also, but I can only find a reference for the Mk IV around 1942,  and add the Hurri IIb with 12 303s and the 250lb gp bomb.
I also have a reference that shows a IIc with 2 cannons removed (field mod?) to boost performance and handling.