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« on: June 20, 2006, 02:25:22 AM »
Been waiting for 4 years for this trip, used getting my wisdom teeth pulled as my excuse to take a weekend off work.  :)

Yeah it was painful, but man what a place!

Out of the list of all the many things I wanted to see and do though, this one was near the top of my list.





I've waited a long time to go there and pay my respects, and it was well worth the trip.

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2006, 03:34:49 AM »
People said the sound barrier couldn't be broken, but Lindbergh proved them wrong.

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2006, 04:49:36 AM »
Shrimp you're really nilsen right?
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2006, 06:14:11 AM »
wtf eagl!! :lol

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2006, 06:15:33 AM »
He ate FUNKED!!!
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Dirty, nasty furriner.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2006, 12:32:02 PM »
Never fails to amaze me how a nice thread can get jacked into the ugliest of things.

Pretty cool SoA.  I had no idea C.L. was buried on Maui.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2006, 12:56:22 PM »
Nice shots there. I'm sorry you had to have that level of work done at the same time. At the same time I'm insanely jealous of you going to Hawaii and I hate you very very much!!!:furious











JK, hope you get to feeling better soon. Post more pix please!
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2006, 12:58:37 PM »
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Never fails to amaze me how a nice thread can get jacked into the ugliest of things.

you're right diablo, but it made me chuckle  :lol
and I also never knew he was buried in Maui.
Mr. Lindbergh, and WTG SoA and you'll regret getting those wisdom teeth pulled when you're older,  there is a direct corelation between wisdom teeth removal and Alszhiemers

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2006, 02:47:05 PM »
Luckily my wife tells me I cant get any dumber, and my memory already stinks, so I think I was born with Alzheimers that constantly fades away and renews itself.  :)

Mav, I LIVE in Hawaii, on Oahu lol.  I just never get to go to the other islands.  Maui is absolutely incredible, and the eastern end of the island is still very much the way it was 50 years ago.  Mostly cattle ranches and flower / fruit farms, lots of native Hawaiians and hippies.  The road south of Hana is ......... well lets just say with a toothache the bouncing made me think I had found Hell.  Most of the road is one lane, gravel and dirt, some oil/gravel with lots of patches.  The scenery makes up for it though.  One thing I learned is that its definitely time to invest in a better camera.  This one didnt do the place justice.  I'm not sure any camera could.  One of the locals at one of our stops gave me some ava (sp?) root to chew on, and I was soon drooling all over myself happily.  Natural Anbesol lol.  Incredible stuff.  

Lahaina, where we stayed, is on the west coast and was once a whaling port.  They have a museum there of artifacts from whaling ships.  Tourist town, everything is expensive, but the beaches are incredible.  One of the beaches on the northern side of the island is where they have the international wind surfing competitions.  Not a spot for amatuers like me for sure, but fun to watch.  I spent more time in the water in 2 days on Maui than I have in 4 years on Oahu.  I highly recommend it, if anyone is thinking of a vacation here, that they just bypass Oahu altogether and fly straight to Maui.

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2006, 03:11:29 PM »
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Mav, I LIVE in Hawaii


Ok, thanks for pointing that out. Now I hate you forever!!!! :furious  :t
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2006, 03:56:41 PM »
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Ok, thanks for pointing that out. Now I hate you forever!!!! :furious  :t
Ditto! You bastige, SOA! :)

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2006, 03:59:24 PM »
I'm not sure exactly when Lindbergh moved to Maui, it was probably in the late 50s or early 60s.  He toured all over Europe after his famous flight, and made alot of friends.  After their baby was kidnapped and murdered in the 30s, he was really almost driven crazy by the press and by people trying to capitalize on his loss.  So they left the US and moved to Europe.  During this time he toured Nazi Germany and was given a red carpet tour of the country and a medal.  He saw what they wanted him to see of course, and he was very impressed.  He came back to the US and campaigned alot for us to stay out of the war.  Many people branded him a Nazi sympathizer because of it.  His motivation though was a fear that we would be in over our heads if we were drawn into a war with Germany.  FDR made some rather bad comments about Lindbergh in a speech, making it sound like he wasnt loyal to the US, and he got mad and resigned his commission in the Reserves.  

After Pearl Harbor he swallowed his pride and offered his services, but the govt. refused him and told any aviation companies to fire him from advisory positions.  The only one that refused was Henry Ford, who employed him to help convert from auto production to airplanes.  

Through 1943 the govt finally started to thaw out a bit and he began test flying planes for them.  In 1944 he went to the Pacific on a tour of Corsair bases hosted by the Navy and Marines.  He helped diagnose and correct problems with the Corsair and was the technical liason in the field for the manufacturers.  He also helped build better communications between the military and the companies building the planes.  Although he was a civilian, he flew 14 combat missions over Rabaul with the Marines, experiencing dive bombing and strafing runs, but not air to air combat.  After he finished there, he left to join the 475th.  June16th, 1944, Colonel Robert L. Morrissey briefed Lindbergh on the Lightning. For all his flying experience he had never flown the P-38. A major motivation for his trip to New Guinea centered around United Aircraft's interest in the feasibility of a new twin-engined fighter. The P-38 was the sole American representative of that type. He had heard that the 475th was a hot Lightning outfit so Lindbergh sought to learn from the best.  On June 20th he got 1 hour and 20 minutes of flight time in the 38 with the 35th FS, and a week later returned to the 475th.  This is a copy of an account of his time with them.


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After obtaining permission to accompany the group on the next day's mission, Lindbergh retreated to V Fighter Command Headquarters only to be retrieved later by MacDonald. The mission, explained the colonel, would launch at dawn. It would be better to rest at the 475th camp and cut down transportation problems. Lindbergh agreed.

Meanwhile the "word" spread quickly. Lindbergh was among Satan's Angels. In the 433rd camp, First Lieutenant Carroll R. "Andy" Anderson tried to summon up enough strength to write a long overdue letter to his wife, Virginia Marie. Suddenly friend C.J. Rieman popped in and announced, "Charles A. Lindbergh is going to fly with us!" Letters were quickly forgotten.

The next day's mission was to Jefman Island, now a familiar target for the 475th. With the possibility of interception much higher than on Guadalcanal flights, MacDonald took no chances. The four-craft patrol included some of the best pilots in the group: MacDonald, with Smith in the number two slot, followed by Lindbergh and his wingman Mac McGuire. By that flight the veterans already had a total of thirty-six victories between them.

Except for flak, Jefman produced no action and so, as had been the recent practice, the quartet of Lightnings shot up barges and luggers on the way home. The Japanese used the terrain to mask their boats from air strikes. Spotting a barge in an indentation formed by two hills leading to the sea, Lindbergh flew up and over the nearest ridge clearing the top by a dozen feet, shooting as he partially straightened, and then banked hard left to clear the opposing hill, all this at 250 miles per hour indicated air speed. The four Lightnings left several craft sinking or burning before turning for home.

Later the group approved of Lindbergh is handling of that first mission. Intelligence Officer Dennis G. "Coop" Cooper was impressed by his accurate and thorough observations during debriefing. He flew well and low against the targets. They did not realize that Lindbergh's time on Guadalcanal had already honed his combat skills.

.A number of his missions in F4Us involved strafing difficult targets. In that process, he learned to fire accurately no matter what his fighter's attitude. " I do not think about the plane's position; that is taken care of subconsciously. All my conscious attention is concentrated on the sight. The tracers are going home, that's all that matters. " Further, Lindbergh was a natural marksman. He shot trap and skeet and while on a PT boat speeding at 26 knots, shot a flying fish with his .45 automatic Before going overseas he practiced air-to-air gunnery at El Toro, California, and Hickam Field, Hawaii, and his time at Guadalcanal allowed him to fire guns in action. Lindbergh's modesty kept him silent about his skills.

Lieutenant John E. "Jack" Purdy of the 433rd looked forward to meeting Lindbergh. Eventually a seven-victory ace, Purdy brooked no formality; already it was "Charlie." Almost as if sensing the stir caused by Lindbergh's appearance, MacDonald called a meeting two days after Lindbergh's arrival. The 475th's C.O. sought to clarify the civilian's status among Satan's Angels. The Lone Eagle would be accorded all officer's privileges and would be addressed as "Mister Lindbergh" as befitting his non-military status.

The Lone Eagle sortied regularly with the 475th and the missions reveal two things only partially seen by the group itself. The first concerned changing roles. Japanese resources dwindled at this, the closing of the New Guinea campaigns. Now they faced the terrible mobility of Nimitz's Central Pacific carrier task forces while MacArthur primed for the drive north against the Philippines) Gone were the relentless daylight air attacks. Husbanding resources in the Southwest Pacific, the enemy took to nocturnal raids against targets like newly-invaded Biak. Until MacArthur moved against the Philippines, the 475th provided aerial protection but did little damage to Japanese resources. This was unacceptable to Charles MacDonald.

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2006, 04:00:25 PM »
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Satan's Angels' C.O. began ordering strafing missions on the homeward leg of all patrols. Andy Anderson of Possum Squadron explained that the skipper was "a real bear for getting his money's worth on every mission. " Thus the recent spate of strafing attacks like the one that concluded Lindbergh's first outing with the 475th.

On the mission slated for 30 June, his second, the Lone Eagle took part in another of the many tactical transformations the group witnessed in recent months. With nil aerial opposition the group carried 1,000-pound bombs to Noemfoor Island. They would continue to carry "freight" for the rest of the war and Lindbergh accompanied them on this second such attack.

The seventeen ships lifted off the mat strip, flying through broken clouds and out to sea by 1125. Over the target they circled, waiting for the A-20s to complete their runs, watching them crater the revetment area down the entire side of the enemy runway. The resultant smoke cleared and the 475th began its attack. Lindbergh, the only one who had recent dive-bombing experience, rolled off at the edge of a squall, steadied his Lightning, and "pickled off" his weapon at 2,500 feet. He pulled out of the dive before the ten-second delayed bomb touched off.

Later the group's Official History recorded all bombs were delivered with "fair accuracy." Lindbergh saw part of the subsequent attacks and noted "three bombs in the target area, two in the jungle, and three in the ocean." Experience, however, would make the 475th as proficient with bombs as they were with bullets.

The second and critical passage made by the group concerned fuel consumption. With additional fuel cells in the J model P-38, Satan's Angels had been making six and one-half and seven-hour flights. On I July Lindbergh flew a third mission with the group, an armed reconnaissance to enemy strips at Nabire, Sagan One and Two, Otawiri, and Ransiki, all on the western shore of Geelvink Bay. Already Lindbergh's technical eye noticed something. After six and one-half hours flying time, he landed with 210 gallons of fuel remaining in his Lightning's tanks.

Two missions later, on 3 July, the group covered sixteen heavies on a strike against Jefman Island. Lindbergh led Hades Squadron's White Flight as they wove back and forth above the lumbering B-25s. After the attack the Lightnings went barge hunting.

First one, then two pilots reported dwindling fuel and broke off for home. MacDonald ordered the squadron back but because Lindbergh had nursed his fuel, he asked for and received permission to continue the hunt with his wingman. After a few more strafing runs, Lindbergh noticed the other Lightning circling overhead. Nervously the pilot told Lindbergh that he had only 175 gallons of fuel left. The civilian told him to reduce engine rpms, lean out his fuel mixture, and throttle back. When they landed, the 431st driver had seventy gallons left, Lindbergh had 260. They had started the mission with equal amounts of gas.

Lindbergh talked with MacDonald. The colonel then asked the group's pilots to assemble at the recreation hall that evening. The hall was that in name only, packed dirt floors staring up at a palm thatched roof, one ping pong table and some decks of cards completing the decor. Under the glare of unshaded bulbs, MacDonald got down to business. "Mr. Lindbergh" wanted to explain how to gain more range from the P-38s. In a pleasant manner Lindbergh explained cruise control techniques he had worked out for the Lightnings: reduce the standard 2,200 rpm to 1,600, set fuel mixtures to "auto-lean," and slightly increase manifold pressures. This, Lindbergh predicted, would stretch the Lightning's radius by 400 hundred miles, a nine-hour flight. When he concluded his talk half an hour later, the room was silent.

The men mulled over several thoughts in the wake of their guest's presentation. The notion of a nine-hour flight literally did not sit well with them, "bum-busters" thought some. Seven hours in a cramped Lightning cockpit, sitting on a parachute, an emergency raft, and an oar was bad, nine hours was inconceivable. They were right. Later, on 14 October 1944, a 432nd pilot celebrated his twenty-fourth birthday with an eight-hour escort to Balikpapan, Borneo. On touching down, he was so cramped his crew chief had to climb up and help him get out of the cockpit.

The group’s chief concern surfaced quickly, that such procedures would foul sparkplugs and scorch cylinders. Lindbergh methodically gave the answer. The Lightning's technical manual provided all the figures necessary to prove his point; they had been there all along. Nonetheless the 475th remained skeptical. A single factor scotched their reticence.

During their brief encounter, MacDonald had come to respect Lindbergh. Both men pushed hard and had achieved. Both were perfectionists never leaving things half done. And both had inquisitive minds. John Loisel, commanding officer the 432nd, remembered the two men talking for long periods over a multitude of topics beyond aviation. If, as MacDonald had informed his pilots, better aircraft performance meant a shorter war, then increasing the Lightning's range was worth investigating. Lindbergh provided the idea, but it was MacDonald's endorsement, backed by the enormous respect accorded him by the group, that saw the experiment to fruition. The next day, the Fourth of July, Lindbergh accompanied the 433rd on a six-hour, forty-minute flight led by Captain "Parky" Parkansky. Upon landing, the lowest fuel level recorded was 160 gallons. In his journal entry Lindbergh felt ". . . that the talk last night was worthwhile. " The 475th had lengthened its stride.

On 7 July Lindbergh flew back to Nadzab. The 475th continued its tasks but began to incorporate the lessons taught by the departed aviator. But it was not the end of their association. They would meet again on the road to the Philippines, a road that MacArthur had long been anxious to travel.


He flew many more missions with the 475, the 433, and the 431 in a P-38.  Officially listed as "observer", and a civilian, he did eventually get a kill.  Altogether I believe Lindbergh flew around 50 combat missions, all as a Civilian.

Charles Lindbergh lived his life with Honesty, Courage, and Patriotism, but never really forgave the American public for letting him down.  He withdrew from public life after the war, although he continued to serve his country.  Eisenhower restored his commission and made him a Brigadier General.  He was a technical consultant for Pan Am and helped design the Boeing 747.  

On one of his trips from Maui back to the mainland in the 70s he was diagnosed with cancer, and from that point spent the rest of his life in Hawaii.  The locals lined his grave with lava rock and made his coffin out of Eucalyptus wood.  At his death Lindbergh was still very bitter over the way he felt the American people had let him and his family down, and made the locals promise they would never tell anyone where he was buried.  They kept that promise for some time, but eventually in the 90s the Hawaii Tourism Bureau decided his gravesite would be useful as a tourist draw.  The local tour guides still respect his wishes, and in compromise will take you to the church where he is buried, and will point you in the right direction, but will not take you to his grave.