Author Topic: Buff damage model (Read 658 times)

Bronk · « **on:** June 19, 2006, 11:50:33 AM »

I would like to see bomber doors as a damage item.
I envision something like flaps .
Example can be shot off or jammed depending on damage done.

This would have many effects.
1. doors stuck shut = cant drop
2. doors stuck open= lower top speed due to drag
3. 1 door blown off = slightly less speed, some handling difficulties due to asymmetrical drag.
4. 1 door blown off and 1 stuck= same as above + only have the bomb load is usable

Just an Idea , nomex suit on flame away.

Bronk

helldiver · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2006, 11:54:20 AM »

cool idea!

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2006, 05:40:26 PM »

When bomb bay doors got stuck they dropped the bombs right through the doors. Problem solved.

Wouldn't really fit. Doesn't fill a niche, nor supply a need. I'd rather have the belly of the bomber be the most vulnerable part, but HTC has seen fit to make it the most sturdy and bullet proof part (from what sources they got this, I don't know!)

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2006, 12:45:02 AM »

I have walked around inside a b-24.
The bombs in the bay looked to be like 6 inches thick.
maybe most 20mm and such wouldnt detonate them.

Have not herd much about bombers blowing up from bombs being hit.
If that was the case most flack would probably have been aimed "under" bomber formations a bit.
aswell as fighters would have aimed at the bomb bays much more.

Then again, maby they did..and it took out the enemy,the bombers around it and such too.

Lusche · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2006, 04:31:31 AM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Have not herd much about bombers blowing up from bombs being hit.
If that was the case most flack would probably have been aimed "under" bomber formations a bit.
aswell as fighters would have aimed at the bomb bays much more.

Heavy flack could usually not aim that well. They were hoping to lob their shells close enough to the bombers to do any damage, aiming for specific parts of an aircraft was not possible at those ranges.
I know that many experienced german nightfighters were aiming for the wings rather than the fuselage, because they feared to hit the bomb bay! A explosion of the bombers payload could have killed them, too. (But I do not know if these fears were really justified)

scottydawg · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:33:30 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
I have walked around inside a b-24.
The bombs in the bay looked to be like 6 inches thick.
maybe most 20mm and such wouldnt detonate them.

Have not herd much about bombers blowing up from bombs being hit.
If that was the case most flack would probably have been aimed "under" bomber formations a bit.
aswell as fighters would have aimed at the bomb bays much more.

Then again, maby they did..and it took out the enemy,the bombers around it and such too.

Bombs weren't armed until right before the drop. I believe it was normally the bombardier's job to pull the pins and arm the bombs.

Other than that, I think you could probably shoot a .50 cal gun at a 500 lb bomb all day and not do much damage. That is, if you're crazy. Or stupid. Or both.

Not sure about cannon rounds, I suppose AP rounds might make it into the core of a bomb and make it go boom. You'd have to be pretty lucky to hit it right from OUTSIDE the bomber and get the perfect angle so that it wouldn't just deflect and ricochet off.

BugsBunny · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:16:13 PM »

Bombs are round.

The chances of a anything hitting them and not just bouncing off are about the same as Elmer has ever outsmarting me.

Bronk · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:27:29 PM »

OK let me amend this a bit then.

1. doors stuck shut = Drop through doors, rip door off and effect accuracy. Then speed is effected by doors being open.
2. doors stuck open= lower top speed due to drag
3. 1 door blown off = slightly less speed, some handling difficulties due to asymmetrical drag.
4. 1 door blown off and 1 stuck= same as above + the accuracy is effected for half the load out being dropped through the stuck door.

Bronk

BugsBunny · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2006, 02:24:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
OK let me amend this a bit then.

1. doors stuck shut = Drop through doors, rip door off and effect accuracy. Then speed is effected by doors being open.
2. doors stuck open= lower top speed due to drag
3. 1 door blown off = slightly less speed, some handling difficulties due to asymmetrical drag.
4. 1 door blown off and 1 stuck= same as above + the accuracy is effected for half the load out being dropped through the stuck door.
Bronk

We are talking about buffs here

1. no effect. Most dive bomb or miss any way. Will only apply to the 1 or 2 that do it right and give them reasons to not do it the right way.
2. They can't outrun anything or make it back alive now anyway.
3. They only fly using autopilot
4. Look above