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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2006, 10:47:18 PM »
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So the alternative is to let them walk?


I don't recall saying that. I do recall you saying they'll have their day in court, as if that were some sort of guarantee they'll get a fair trial, as opposed to a dog and pony show with a pre-determined outcome. All I'm saying is that there is no guarantee.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2006, 11:01:49 PM »
Virgil,

There is only one guarantee in life. That doesn't mean everything else is a sham.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2006, 11:16:17 PM »
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I don't recall saying that. I do recall you saying they'll have their day in court, as if that were some sort of guarantee they'll get a fair trial, as opposed to a dog and pony show with a pre-determined outcome. All I'm saying is that there is no guarantee.


There is a guarantee. The 5th and 6th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2006, 11:32:09 PM »
Never said they WOULDN'T get a fair trial, they probably will. I just said it wasn't a sure thing. Don't read too much into it. As you are doing now.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2006, 11:40:52 PM »
I'm sorry, but I must have missed the optimism of this statment, "Sure. No one has ever been wrongfully convicted in a dog and pony show put on for the benefit of certain observers."
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2006, 11:47:51 PM »
Look, let me make this very simple. It means there is the off chance that this could be a dog and pony show. It does not mean that it is a dog and pony show, only that the possibility exists. I'm a cynic for the most part, don't expect optimism. I expect it will be a fair trial, but to find out it is a witch hunt would not surprise me either. If they're guilty, then they should pay the fiddler, they called the tune.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2006, 11:57:04 PM »
Alrighty then.
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2006, 07:05:56 AM »
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If they're guilty, then they should pay the fiddler, they called the tune.

Can't argue with that at all but I have to ask...guilty of what?

Guilty of summary execution of completely innocent non-combatants.

OR...

Guilty of eliminating a group of terrorits sympathizers who helped cause the death of their squadmate.

OR...

Guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and guilty of being chosen to take a fall in order to keep some officer/politician's arse outta the fire.
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2006, 07:25:27 AM »
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well if their inaction helped cause the death of one american, then good riddence to the lot of them


...with the 'Horst Wessel Lied' as background music...
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2006, 08:13:42 AM »
Hearts and Minds
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2006, 08:39:13 AM »
I will wait to see how it plays out.  

If I were in charge and It was said that one of my men shot an unarmed prisoner who was not a threat then I would investigate.   I would hope with all my heart that the charges were false and help in any way that I could.

If any American soldiers who were POW's were shot for no reason I would want justice.

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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2006, 09:25:45 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2006, 09:45:40 AM »
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The Marines are getting a freaking trial, which is a hell of alot more than the people that they tried, convicted and executed.  Dispicable.


Where's the outrage towards those planting the roadside bombs? How about a little indignation directed toward those who brutally tortured and murdered two American soldiers? How about we wait and get the facts before judging those marines?
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2006, 10:02:28 AM »
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Where's the outrage towards those planting the roadside bombs? How about a little indignation directed toward those who brutally tortured and murdered two American soldiers? How about we wait and get the facts before judging those marines?


A little indignation? I don't think that there is a single person these boards that does not completely loathe these terrorists and their acts. The thing is that any misconduct by coalition forces will cause a public outcry because we expect them to be above it, from terrorists otoh it is expected that they perpetrate these atrocities.

It may be unfair but it is what separates terrorists from others...
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2006, 10:05:23 AM »
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A little indignation? I don't think that there is a single person these boards that does not completely loathe these terrorists and their acts. The thing is that any misconduct by coalition forces will cause a public outcry because we expect them to be above it, from terrorists otoh it is expected that they perpetrate these atrocities.

It may be unfair but it is what separates terrorists from others...


I'd like to think what you say is true. That some take every opportunity to jump on any seeming misstep made by the US leads me to believe otherwise.
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