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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2006, 08:57:42 AM »
edbert is right it begins with the northern war of aggression when President Lincoln first suspended habeus corpus.

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« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2006, 11:13:23 AM »
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eagleDNY, that's why I'm of a torn opinion on the matter, as are most of us I would suspect.

here's the rub. throughout human history far more of humanity has died at hands of our governments than by any other means.  



It is a sad comment on humanity that your statement is true.  As a 'history-geek' myself, I frequently find it appalling how little of our history most people know these days.  We've got students graduating high school that can't tell you who the president is, or when the civil war was fought, or what amendment to the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.  Without this link to our past, I wonder how they expect to lead our nation into the future.

I worry about the direction our government it taking - sure I do.  I'm not so worried about the administration, which by it's nature goes through a referendum every 4 years, than I am about congress and the courts though.  When I see congress pass a law limiting my freedom of speech during the political campaign season, I get upset and people hear about it.  When I see the courts uphold the proposition that it is OK for local governments to use eminent domain to kick people off their land so that we can have another shopping mall or condo development, I think the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.  

Terrorism, by it's very nature, cannot beat us militarily.  That doesn't mean that it isn't a threat to our freedoms however.  Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness doesn't hold up well to suicide bombers and nutbag snipers.   Do I think it was some great constitutional affront to let the NSA listen in on international cell phone calls - no, if the terrorists were using pack radios instead of prepaid cell phones it wouldn't even be a question.  Do I want the government monitoring international banking to track terrorist funding - damn right I do.  Do I think the idiots who leaked the story to the NY Times did this country a disservice - damn right I do.

Yes, I agree that we do have to watch out for encroachment on our freedoms from all sides.  We are going to have to strike a balance between privacy and security, and the debate will be ongoing as to what we should allow the government to do in the name of security.  The beauty of our system is that when We the People think things have gone too far, we will be able to speak, and vote, and change things for the better.

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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2006, 11:32:42 AM »
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it goes beyond a mere inconvenience at an airport.  get pulled over by a law enforcement official who may be having a bad day and see what he can legally do to you.  I have personally been detained at a home depot parking lot by INS looking for illegals even though I presented my DL and VR. and don't look hispanic, my english is flawless etc.  the guy was bored and possibly didn't like my truck.  after of keeping me standing in the hot sun for quite some time I told him I was going to my truck and sit in the A/C he told me no.  I told him to F/off and shoot me and got in the truck. after still more time  he returned my documentation at which time I taunted the crap outta him.  I reported it to INS still no reply though.  I'm minding my business and out of the blue the gestapo wants to see my papers.  you don't see a problem, you ain't looking around.


I soooooooooooooooooooooo wish this would happen to Rip and Eagler. Every frakin day. Every time they try to get on a freeway, or go pick up a family member at the airport...  You get it. I get it. They won't till they've been 'detained'.
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« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2006, 11:55:05 AM »
srry hang, that sort of stuff just is not happening to the vast majority of americans.  If it were happening, I doubt ether of us would be spending any time on this hilarious bsb.
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« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2006, 11:57:28 AM »
yet.
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« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2006, 12:05:53 PM »
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...eagler, are you not at least a little concerned with the steady erosion of our civil rights and liberties?...


Oh, he would be all up in arms about it if a non-christian democrat was in office.  If this was, say, hillary's doing, he wouldn't be able to stop railing against the injustices of the administration.
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« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2006, 12:20:21 PM »
my right to lawfully own a semi automatic rifle was severely infringed while bill clinton occupied the oral office and the socialists ruled congress.  That was without comparrison to anything that has happened as a result of the security measures enacted after the attacks of 9/11.  Fortunately that BS law had a sunset provision......sort of like (GASP) the patriot act, which so many of you seem to fear worse than any suicide attack  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2006, 01:17:09 PM »
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I soooooooooooooooooooooo wish this would happen to Rip and Eagler. Every frakin day. Every time they try to get on a freeway, or go pick up a family member at the airport...  You get it. I get it. They won't till they've been 'detained'.


got a speeding ticket a couple of years ago on the way to catch a plane
I was speeding, and the cop was a storch ... does that count?
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