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« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2006, 11:52:58 AM »
Am I ever glad I keep my old gun rags! The following advice straight from Handguns '98...


"If you're going to go hand-gunning for bear of any variety, make sure you bring along someone to pack the rifle. Yes, rifle! If you need additional stopping power right now a rifle will provide it much faster than any handgun. Besides, hand-gunning for bear isn't a sport some would call 'wise' and a hunting buddy is always a good idea."

That being said, the minimum medicine for bear is a .44 Mag. If you can wrap your paws around a Linebaugh pistol in .475 or .500 Mag, you'd best do so! All the artillery jokes aside, bear have a very shock-resistant nervous system. Some won't go down despite being ventilated with a half-dozen of the hottest .44 Mag rounds out there. Not because they aren't powerful enough, but because it takes a hell of a hit to put any bear into shock. Let alone drop one. They possess heavy skeletons with even heavier layers of muscle. "Walking tanks" is a good descriptive.

For rifles, go with a .30 caliber or larger with at least 1,800 ft-lbs of energy behind it. For the ol' 06, stick with 220 grain soft-points or Bonded Bear Claw. My personal choice would be a .45-70 lever gun stoked with 300 grain hollowpoints. If money was no object, it'd be a .470 Nitro Express spitting monolithic solid. The basic principle in hunting any bear is to put them down NOW![/i] The last thing you want to do is get Teddy torqued off with a pop-gun or merely wound him with your hand cannon. Shotgun slugs are excellent in this regard. If you get a pump gun, stoke it with Federal Power-Shok hollowpoint rifled slugs. They make one shell that hits with 3,000 ft-lbs of energy, though the recoil might make you pick another load. If that doesn't get Teddy's attention, nothing will!

Remington's web site had a nice bit about where to hit game, including graphics of different angles on a bear. Looks like they pulled it, though (drat!).



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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2006, 12:43:08 PM »
Hey wait a minute...why do you want a rifle for a black bear ? Bears don't even shoot rifles.

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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2006, 02:19:02 PM »
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Actually, in all seriousness, Hang has it correct here.  The garand can fire quicker, is more powerful and can reload much easier then any other gun mentioned (seriously that is).

I read a story on a gun forum I used to frequent about a guy getting charged by a grizzlie in alaska.  He had a garand and got off 7 clips of ammo to have the bear drop dead at his feet.

Now, the bear didn't need to get shot with 56 bullets to go down, but chances are you're going to use 56 bullets to PUT the bear down.


Um, no.

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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2006, 02:28:26 PM »
if your wife is like mine, for about 10 days out of the month, I'd give the bear the gun to make it even :)
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« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2006, 02:58:17 PM »
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If one was to have to shoot a large black bear (estimate 250lbs) in thier own backyard, that was say, showing agressive behavior to loving wife working in vegatable garden, what might be the most practicle rifle to dispatch said bear? This shooting of course necessary as the life and limb of said wife is in clear and present danger and notifcation of local police or animal control would take too long.



"too long" meaning what?  Did you try? Would be a shame to shoot the bear just for being a bear if it could be relocated.

You have waited (and are waiting) for CT for months and months now midnight...the wife should be able to wait for a week for animal control to move a bear.

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(edit) 308 winmag if you HAVE to.

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« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2006, 03:51:09 PM »
Here comes the anti-gun guy :D
Well, what Hangtime said is IMHO good. M1 Garand, or something without a bolt. BANGBANGBANG you see, - this is a bear.
A hunter of various sorts once told me that you'll need at least .303 or 30.06 for a bear, - well, he was referring to a polarbear though.
The thing is, he said, that when the bugger charges, you'll need at least that power to penetrate. If the bear is standing up and you have a perfect shot, you can even possibly drop it with a .22, but we don't live in a perfect world now, do we?
So, .30something as a minimum, and quick reload.
He said 9mm's won't do it, - sad, for I'd have picked the Tommygun ;)
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« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2006, 03:58:43 PM »
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Here comes the anti-gun guy :D
Well, what Hangtime said is IMHO good. M1 Garand, or something without a bolt. BANGBANGBANG you see, - this is a bear.
A hunter of various sorts once told me that you'll need at least .303 or 30.06 for a bear, - well, he was referring to a polarbear though.
The thing is, he said, that when the bugger charges, you'll need at least that power to penetrate. If the bear is standing up and you have a perfect shot, you can even possibly drop it with a .22, but we don't live in a perfect world now, do we?
So, .30something as a minimum, and quick reload.
He said 9mm's won't do it, - sad, for I'd have picked the Tommygun ;)


The Thompson was a .45

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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2006, 03:58:53 PM »
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He said 9mm's won't do it, - sad, for I'd have picked the Tommygun ;)

Tommygun= .45 cal just a tad bigger


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« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2006, 04:00:55 PM »
Black bears aren't really all that tough to kill, I've killed 3 with archery equipment and 2 with a rifle.  I personally shoot a Remington .300 WinMag with 190 gr Hornady Custom bullets and dropped both in their tracks.  Caliber of rifle doesn't matter as much as shot placement.

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« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2006, 04:12:41 PM »
I'd be more afraid of a grizzly.  Buddy of mine just spent 7 days in Kodiak, AK and went scouting for bears with the other guy on the trip.  He was armed only with a Ruger .40 pistol.  Other guy had my .300 win mag rifle on loan.

I told em he could have used rocks instead of that pistol and had at least a chance of poking the bears eye out.

I'd bowhunt black bears...not a snowballs chance in hell I'd give the grizzly the same courtesy.  High penetration, exploding rounds if at all possible.  The 20mm hispano cannon is about what I'd want if I had to go face to face with a grizzly.

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« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2006, 04:22:25 PM »
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Black bears aren't really all that tough to kill, I've killed 3 with archery equipment and 2 with a rifle.  I personally shoot a Remington .300 WinMag with 190 gr Hornady Custom bullets and dropped both in their tracks.  Caliber of rifle doesn't matter as much as shot placement.


I've dropped one with a 30.06 too. But I was hunting one and it didn't know I was there. The original poster was addressing an aggressive bear potentially attacking his wife.

Shot placement is much harder in such a situation therefore I would rely on the heavier, shockier calibers to ensure a quick kill.

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« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2006, 04:25:47 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2006, 04:26:36 PM »
Very true.... It would be tough to shoot with it running down both legs.:D

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« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2006, 04:48:42 PM »
Maybe Im dyslexic

Doesnt the 2nd Ammendment give us the right to arm bears?

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« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2006, 05:02:53 PM »
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Maybe Im dyslexic

Doesnt the 2nd Ammendment give us the right to arm bears?

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Yes--don't let the lib'ral bastidges take away our right to bears!

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Very true.... It would be tough to shoot with it running down both legs.


You got that right :)

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