terrorists

[mrfish]

 

Originally posted by Eagler:
Just because it isn't smeared all over CNN, doesn't mean it isn't happening...
Eagler

too true eagler! the problem is that i dont have any trust in the government to decide who gets swatted

secondly - yes decapitating the leader may cause the sheep to see the light - but its only 'seeing the light' if you agree with thier agenda - i dont agree or support the israeli agenda and dont like the fact that the u.s. supports them at all much less helps them assassinate their 'political' enemies - and they are *political enemies* - and as has been stated in some informed posts, there is no war only an undeclared internal conflict.

ps - thanks for the gentlemanly debate/difference of opinion type post as opposed to the straight up rude posts of some others!        


[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 02-15-2001).]

[LJK Raubvogel]

I have no problem with anything Israel has done. You cannot allow terrorists to think they can get away with anything. Sometimes you have to fight fire with high explosives.

[devildawg]

 

Originally posted by sshh:
US did many similar things without declaring war.

Well I cant agree with you there sshh. It wasnt really the US that did that, it was our former Felon in Chief that ordered those attacks on the aspirin factories to direct our attention elsewhere. Our top brass advised against it but was told to do so anyways.



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Retreat hell!! We're just attacking in another direction!
Proofread if ya want, it's your dime.

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by mrfish:
... yes decapitating the leader may cause the sheep to see the light - but its only 'seeing the light' if you agree with thier agenda - i dont agree or support the israeli agenda

mrfish:
 It is obvious to me that you are evaluating it from the position of an armchair strategist and assuming everyone thinks like you.  

 The israelis are not conducting a discussion. They are not trying to educate palestinians or turn them to judaism or whatever you mean by "seeing the light". They are just trying to kill a key enemy officer in order to disrupt enemy's war effort. It is much more humane then killing soldiers under his command.

 If you remember your history, americans did just that when they assassinated leading japanese admiral Isoroku Yamamoto on his flight from Rabaul to Bougainville in April 1943 after they learned his schedule. That most likely hastened the collapse of Japan and saved lives of american and japanese soldiers.

 How about today's US/British raid on Iraq? Are we at war? Should we sue them first for shooting at our planes patrolling the no-flight zone?

 As for you not trusting the government to conduct a war, That I would rather not leave to the private sector!

miko

[mrfish]

<sigh>......really miko, ya oughtta do your homework before spewing vitriol at me -

the 'head' thing it wasn't my quote, it was eagler's and i was responding to it.

i was commenting on his statement that if you want to kill the body you start with the head - my point was that i don't want to kill the body - in fact i am on their side - so direct your angst at eagler please - but first i would suggest reading his 'entire' post

- and really, come up with a different retort than "you want everyone to think like you" it's a blanket statement you make in every situation and whether it applies or not. this is a discussion board where people debate things. i am offering my opinion, you offer yours. if i am convinced by yours then i will change my tune - its called a discussion.

 cheers-

[Thrawn]

"It wasnt really the US that did that, it was our former Felon in Chief that ordered those attacks on the aspirin factories to direct our attention elsewhere. Our top brass advised against it but was told to do so anyways."

That arguement didn't work so well at Nurenmberg.

[pzvg]

Nuremberg doesn't apply, we didn't lose  
And FYI, War was outlawed in 1946 by the United Nations, The United States of America has not been involved in a declared "war" since.

(A veteran of a few "police" actions)


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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[MrSiD]

Eh, not involved in a declared war since 46?

Were Korea and Vietnam clean police missions? Ehheh.. The sad truth is that the majority of americans are ignorant, stuffed with mcdonalds and comedycentral. They have no idea what's happening outside their borders and even less knowledge of what their country is doing to others when it suits its goals.

As what goes for Israel, they're supposed to be the 'God's nation' taking back the land promised to them by God himself.. Now why do they have to fight about it if it's so?

It's just another crusade in the flow of centuries, a tribe killing the original owners of the land with the authorization of religion. A belief.. When the real motivation of the leaders lies behind a political power struggle and money. Religion is just a nice way of selling this to the public.

After all the killing and the violence they have committed, I seriously doubt they can even themselves look in the mirror and say that they really are the God's nation and deserve that land.

They have blooded their hands.

What goes to Palestinians, I wonder when they will smarten up and stop throwing stones on the Israeli soldiers. They're shooting back with bullets for crying out loud! They should either eat it up and try politics (won't work) or then get some real firepower and fight back with bullets.

There are 2 main reasons why human kind will never be at peace:

1: Religion

2: Politics (with powermonging leaders)

In that specific order. Superstitions and belief have caused the world an unbelievable amount of grief.

[TheWobble]

   

Originally posted by MrSiD:

The sad truth is that the majority of americans are ignorant, stuffed with mcdonalds and comedycentral. They have no idea what's happening outside their borders and even less knowledge of what their country is doing to others when it suits its goals.

truth where...besides in yer mind?




[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 02-18-2001).]

[MrSiD]

Originally posted by thewobble: "hmm, never heard of that..all these years of fighting anywhere and everywhere and only 2 occasions..not too bad."

Let's start from that for example.

[TheWobble]

Well sid I guess because I didnt know that that makes me and all americans idiots huh?
Wow, woe to he who challenges the intelect of MrSiD, for he is who decides who is smart and who is not.

too bad you couldent choose not to make yerself full of toejam  

[MrSiD]

Well, Wobble, if you could look at the big picture objectively you would end up in the same realisation. The average american does not get enough education at school about other nations (my personal finding after talking to numerous americans.)

The problem is extended by the fact that the government rarely advertises its covert ops when not forced to..

Wobble, You're still just a kid.. Don't try to worry yourself with the problems of the big world.

[Seeker]

Possibly the most disturbing thing I've ever seen an American write:

"By the time the government would assassinate someone, I would feel pretty confident they deserved it"

You are aware how many people died sixty years ago to make that statement false?

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by TheWobble:
hmm, never heard of that..all these years of fighting anywhere and everywhere and only 2 occasions..not too bad.

Hey Im American and I love my country but there are lots of these instances.  Just last week, 5 strikes were launched by joint US and British troops on suspected SAM sites in IRAQ.  Sure 4 of them were inside the no-fly zone but then again, 1 of em wasnt.  

Before you assume your own country is completely in the clear, think again.  We have our own transgressions.

-Ding