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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2006, 12:01:06 PM »
Agreed.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2006, 12:34:14 PM »
I'm dissapointed with the design of the new crew vehicle...  If they put a winged re-entry vehicle on the top of a largely expendable booster, they could still land at a runway... on top instead of bolted to the side solves the foam shedding problem.

Scale this up and we could bring launch and bring back 10 at a time...

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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2006, 01:17:38 PM »
Just saw that they found a crack in the foam on the fuel tank..bet this one is scrubbed altogeher
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2006, 01:25:51 PM »

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Looks like a corner came off of the bracket just below center image
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2006, 02:07:34 PM »
The space shuttle was shoved down NASA's throat.  It was in the name of politics they got stuck with it.  It is not the original vehicle NASA wanted to do.
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 02:15:37 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2006, 02:28:38 PM »
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looks like a modern shuttle on top of a saturn 5

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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 02:37:31 PM »
History lesson time, why did NASA shy away from the capsule on top of a rocket from the 60's and 70's and move into the shuttle we have today?  Or was that already covered by the politics comment?  Perhaps it was more expensive to send up large amount of metal and then jettison them in space.  Anyone know?
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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 02:50:23 PM »
The concept of the shuttle was to make a totally reusable do all spacecraft -- a cargo lifter that carried people.

They got close, losing only the external tank, but many of the design by committee items that got tacked on caused many compromises.

Seperate vehicles for cargo and for people and a rendevous in orbit mentality would have been a better concept than the all in one swiss army knife concept the shuttle is, but to abandon the reusable winged reentry vehicle is a dissapointment.
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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2006, 12:32:13 AM »
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Seperate vehicles for cargo and for people and a rendevous in orbit mentality would have been a better concept than the all in one swiss army knife concept the shuttle is, but to abandon the reusable winged reentry vehicle is a dissapointment.


I'd rather see more people in space than to see NASA struggling to get that crappy design of a space craft flying safely. Capsules are the most proven spaceflight vehicle and it should have been kept that way. Lifting bodies might be the future, but there needs to be a solid reason to build them. Right now they need to focus on getting equipment and people up and back without incident with a quicker turn around time than the shuttle. It looks like the Ares rockes will accomplish this.


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« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2006, 01:31:00 AM »
I'd like to see a stop to people using terms they learned watching 'From the Earth to the Moon' coming in here acting like they are authorities on space travel.

I'd like to see an American public place a little freakin faith in their space program.

The space shuttle out performed any design expectation.  Much like almost every NASA design in the past 40 years.  And yet, you all watch a little MSNBC and you think you have the engineering savvy to throw up your own plan.

Laughable.

NASA knows full well what needs to be done, but President after President... Congress after Congress deny them the funds they need to do the job well.  Nasa doesn't fail you in space... Washington fails you in space.

Commercial private space flight will be the way of the future, people without congress stepping on their funds... But only if the FAA (people with Congress stepping on their funds will make it happen).

Anyhow, my point is, Scientists aren't messing up our space program... Engineers aren't messing up our space program... Our CONGRESS is messing up our space program.  Our President (who claims to want a man on Mars but won't pony up the cash) is messing up our space program.

I think it is a shame that nasa takes the heat for money cut in Congress.   Congress killed Venture Star which was supposed to already be in flight... Congress killed funding that could have prevented two shuttles being destroyed...  Bush makes his 'return to the moon' speech and effectively kills all useful space flight with a return to capsules and parachutes...

Space is expensive... And those who will not spend the money will lose... Lose to the Chinese who are currently willing to spend any money available to make us look like asses.

Everyone who won't support the U.S. program is just guaranteeing a new 'red moon'.
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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2006, 01:53:33 AM »
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I'd like to see a stop to people using terms they learned watching 'From the Earth to the Moon' coming in here acting like they are authorities on space travel.


Ok, so what you're saying is Andrew Chaikin, Tom Hanks, and oh, Dave Scott, just made up new terms for the mini-series?  Or are you saying people that watched FTETTM actually learned something?

Besides that little stickler I agree with you.  NASA has been and always will be a pawn to politics and a marionette to Congress.

It will be a Red Moon...just not USSR red.
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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2006, 03:31:38 AM »
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I'd like to see a stop to people using terms they learned watching 'From the Earth to the Moon' coming in here acting like they are authorities on space travel.

I'd like to see an American public place a little freakin faith in their space program.

The space shuttle out performed any design expectation.  Much like almost every NASA design in the past 40 years.  And yet, you all watch a little MSNBC and you think you have the engineering savvy to throw up your own plan.

Laughable.

NASA knows full well what needs to be done, but President after President... Congress after Congress deny them the funds they need to do the job well.  Nasa doesn't fail you in space... Washington fails you in space.

Commercial private space flight will be the way of the future, people without congress stepping on their funds... But only if the FAA (people with Congress stepping on their funds will make it happen).

Anyhow, my point is, Scientists aren't messing up our space program... Engineers aren't messing up our space program... Our CONGRESS is messing up our space program.  Our President (who claims to want a man on Mars but won't pony up the cash) is messing up our space program.

I think it is a shame that nasa takes the heat for money cut in Congress.   Congress killed Venture Star which was supposed to already be in flight... Congress killed funding that could have prevented two shuttles being destroyed...  Bush makes his 'return to the moon' speech and effectively kills all useful space flight with a return to capsules and parachutes...

Space is expensive... And those who will not spend the money will lose... Lose to the Chinese who are currently willing to spend any money available to make us look like asses.

Everyone who won't support the U.S. program is just guaranteeing a new 'red moon'.


what is teh source of your expert pwnage?

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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2006, 11:03:34 AM »
That POS should be renamed the "USS Porkbarrel".

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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2006, 11:34:32 AM »
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what is teh source of your expert pwnage?


I've never claimed to have any expert pwnage Deb...  You don't see me in here saying I've got better ideas or saying that this vehicle or that vehicle does the job better than some other vehicle...

My posts have only been making a couple simple points... Space is hard, expensive and deadly... And that Nasa can take us anywhere if the government will give them the money.   Lastly that private commercial space flight can only be viable if the FAA can figure out a way to regulate it without making it impossible.  The FAA has too many problems and budget concerns as it is.  I don't think the FAA will do well in the role of space flight controller.

So if you thought you saw me saying I had a degree in astrophysics, or aerodynamics I'm afraid you just read me wrong.
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