Author Topic: Palestinian education for kids (Read 1532 times)

indy007 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:09:33 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
As long as you have tactics like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_massacre **

Not to nitpick, but it hasn't been proved the IDF did that. It even says in the wiki article that HRW's report couldn't disprove the IDF's investigation showing they didn't do it.

Doesn't really matter though anymore if it deliberate or accidental by the IDF, or even if Hamas marty'd their own people to break down the ceasefire they don't want.

lukster · « **Reply #46 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:09:36 PM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
As long as you have tactics like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_massacre **

DoctorYo

Did you read that article? Sure, they could be lying but is there ever any doubt at all when hamas blows up a bus or cafe filled with civilians? They always seem eager to take the credit.

"An IDF investigation into the deaths concluded, on 13 June 2006, that one piece of shrapnel removed from the body of Amneh Ghaliya did not match the metal signature of Israeli munitions, and that IDF shells or missiles would have left larger craters than found on the site of the incident.[10] The report suggested the blast was probably caused by an explosive device buried in the sand, but did not determine whether it was planted by Palestinians (as the IDF committee head speculated but could not confirm) or was an old IDF explosive.[11]"

Gunslinger · « **Reply #47 on:** July 05, 2006, 03:21:28 PM »

Yup, what they said doctoryo. I don't firmly beleive that Israel didn't do that but there's no real conclusion that they did......wich is basically what your wicki-link says.

And as stated by me earlier these types of aleged incidences are the exception and not the rule where as the opposite is true of whom they are fighting. Hamas and others INTENTIONALLY target civilians. This is a TACTIC of theirs. BTW they withdrew from their 16 month sease fire that they regularly violated by launching rockets into israel. Not much of a cease fire eh?

It also states on their that:

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Palestinian doctors at Shifa hospital in Gaza, who had treated a woman wounded during the blast, had made unnecessary cuts all over her body in an effort to remove all the surgically reachable shrapnel. The spokesperson for the medical center said that the hospital called "had never received such a patient with all the reachable shrapnel removed."

Did you even read your propaganda before posting? It doesn't do well to proving any kind of argument you are making.

bozon · « **Reply #48 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:21:01 AM »

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Originally posted by DoctorYO
(Note this tactic currently ended the Hamas 16 month ceasefire, groundbreaking for Hamas I might add... leading to the soldier kidnapping, leading to the cluster going on in Gaza..

Hamas may have announced cease fire, but the other organizations didn't and were firing rockets at Israeli villages and towns around Gaza. That include Hamas members, they were just not officialy doing it in the name of Hamas.

The soldier kiddnaping is a good example of stupid palestinian moves. The Hamas officialy declared that they didn't give the order and is not reponsible. Some bunch of military operatives came up with this initiavite and got them all into this mess they are looking for a way out of.

What did they expect? Israel usually retaliate very heavily for such actions. Kiddnapind is considered much more severe than killing him on the spot. Add to that the hundreds or rockets fired at the town of Shderot in the last few months and Israel could not sit back and play the stand-off game any more.
The military activists just didn't take that into account or cared. They do "heroic" attacks on Israel, what does it matter if it is wise? It just seemed like a good idea at the time...

Saintaw · « **Reply #49 on:** July 06, 2006, 04:41:18 AM »

Yes Neubob, you do sound like a yuropean expert indeed... some punks dug out graves* and that makes an entire population anti-semitic. I can't speak for germany mysef as i haven't been there... as far as france goes, they are not anti-semitic, they are just affraid of the rest of the world... just like you fickle republicans.

* Not that I condone such things.

Neubob · « **Reply #50 on:** July 06, 2006, 06:42:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
Yes Neubob, you do sound like a yuropean expert indeed... some punks dug out graves* and that makes an entire population anti-semitic. I can't speak for germany mysef as i haven't been there... as far as france goes, they are not anti-semitic, they are just affraid of the rest of the world... just like you fickle republicans.

* Not that I condone such things.

Ok, I suppose I'm a European expert then. I am not, however, a Republican.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #51 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:04:13 AM »

First the Wiki article is pretty fair and balanced thats why I put it up.. Upon reading the entire information by google search on "Palestine Beach Massacre" there are plenty of more biased sources on both sides if you plan to actually research something instead of being lazy and and only reading the condensed wiki entry... (and cherry picking the parts you like then claiming propaganda..)

Nevertheless, Bozon has some good points on rocketfire.. but when researching the amount of destruction and effectiveness of such rocketfire I have found such devices as ineffective / lacking.. The stats I pulled up were 15 dead in 5 years.... And now a claimed threat of Katyusa's as opposed to that oversized bottle rocket the Kassam... But again the results i have researched are some property dammage 15 dead and a few score wounded... in 5 years , The USA murder rate was higher than that in one month.. But that justifies cowardly attack on civilian targets, the most recent being the power station, Such actions forms a clear pattern of violation of the geneva coventions.. the same governing international bodies/treaties that helped grant Israel its State Hood.. Ironic no? (By all means secure the power station, use it as a bargaining chip, but blowing it up.. bad form..)

Im not taking sides both parties have no honor.....just pointing out the facts ..

there are always two sides of a conflict some here were construing it otherwise.

My advice if there is any to give is either get it over with mongol style.. (pyriamid of heads quelled bagdad real quick if you know your history...)

Or offer eachother the olive branch... And a big fat wall would also help (be shure its drawn up on international historical standards, not the recent spoils of war standards though..)

But this "I claim the high ground" has to go.. its rather hollow...

DoctorYo

Eagler · « **Reply #52 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:11:37 AM »

just wondering, who do you think will rebuild that power plant? who do you think will pay for it? Do you think it will be bigger and better than the one destroyed?

the pals allow the militants to screw the pooch everytime they get close to what they are whining for. Heck they elected terrorists to govern them ... that speaks volumes .. any pity for them as long since vaporized just like the women and children that happened to be too close to one of the national hero pal cheekbones bombers..

DoctorYO · « **Reply #53 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:15:06 AM »

My statement says nothing of pity.. just the facts.. and the facts are clear there is no high ground on either side..

why can't you accept that statement.. brutal truth?

DoctorYo

Saintaw · « **Reply #54 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:37:46 AM »

Oh, so they destroyed the power plant in order to build a bigger, better one. I get it now! It's all for Palestine's good! WHAT WAS I THINKING!? *Smacks forehead*

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Heck they elected terrorists to govern them

That is indeed something that puzzles me, I have to admit.

Eagler · « **Reply #55 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:41:19 AM »

what "truth"?
if you can't see a difference btwn the pals ways and Israel's then I guess you have your "truth"
the pals are like the muslim extremists, it is their way or no way ... I do not hear the gov of Israel stating to the world that all palestines should be pushed into the sea but I do hear the pals shout that mantra and not just the uneducated ppl on the street but their leaders proclaim that and believe it ...
sorry, I do see a higher road and the pals are doing everything not to take it ..

Neubob · « **Reply #56 on:** July 06, 2006, 10:50:48 AM »

I think there may be another key difference between the Israelis and the Palestinians...

The Israelis would benefit from peace. They would go on working, living, with any luck, perhaps even growing. The Palestinians, on the other hand, without continued hostilities, would lose their only method of attracting the world's attention, not to mention the sympathy that comes with it. They need their Martyrs working around the clock just like the prosperous Arab nations need their oil fields. Without the martyrs and their bomb-belts, the Palestinians have no voice, no face and no reason to wake up in the morning.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #57 on:** July 06, 2006, 11:55:48 AM »

Eagler dont get all huffy puffy:

one more time, spoon fed this time for non reading impaired.. :

First Post:

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Both sides are equally cowardly... There is no high ground...

Second Post:

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But this "I claim the high ground" has to go.. its rather hollow...

And last but not least consolidated, there should be no rebuttal, or heresay.. :

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My statement says nothing of pity.. just the facts.. and the facts are clear there is no high ground on either side..

Now by deductive reasoning you would think my statements ended with the same freaking statement.. no confusion no rebuttal.. just the facts..

And hence the "Brutal Truth" you are unwilling to accept..

Instead you go on your discredit campaign and as usual I spoon feed it so that even a "simian of the year canidate" can rationalize.

So is there still confusion?

You act as if I condone either party.. My initial post was clear by my use of the word "cowardly"... but yet you try to invent conflict... as if im cheerleading the terrorists..your attack engine is feeble and easily parried. your not much different than the palestinians.

rebuttal..?

Or do you prefer more ownage..

DoctorYo

Eagler · « **Reply #58 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:31:23 PM »

not huffy here yo
you say there is no diff bwtn the pals and the israelis, I say there is
you say there is no high road, I say there is and Israel is on it while the pals try to pull them and anyone who wants to help them down into the ditch beside that road ..

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 06, 2006, 03:36:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

This little girl, the same age as Gal Aizenman, is taking part in a “graduation exercise” at a kindergarten run by the “Islamic Charitable Association” in Gaza. She is commemorating the ghastly lynching of two Israeli reservists in Ramallah.

A photo discovered by the IDF in a routine search of a Palestinian house on the outskirts of Hebron

Looks like an NRA convention, just been out in the sun too long...

Problem with people owning firearms?