Author Topic: A quick survey on Patriotism (Read 1474 times)

cpxxx · « **Reply #60 on:** July 09, 2006, 09:38:25 AM »

I have to disagree with this comment:

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The public school system is one of the best things that ever happened to this country. It's why Americans became so much better educated than the rest of the world.

Americans are not so much better educated than the rest of the world. That is an illusion. Any number of countries have better school systems. You have been let down by your school system. It does need reform.

Many countries have higher standards in high school complete with tough competitive exams to go to college. In fact exams are needed whethet you go to college or not.

However it is fair to say that after college, Americans are as well educated as anyone in the world. There is no doubt whatever that many American universities are the best in the world. But at high school level that is not true I'm afraid.

lazs2 · « **Reply #61 on:** July 09, 2006, 09:49:27 AM »

cpx... you are correct. You would not be correct if you were talking the public school systems of the early 20th century.

This is proof that we are going in the wrong direction now or... that absolute power corrupts absolutely.... sometimes it takes a while.

Our public school system is in the grip of the teachers union and the liberal socialists... I think anyone with a fair mind can see how much worse they have gotten as more and more control by the liberals is exerted.

lazs

68Hawk · « **Reply #62 on:** July 09, 2006, 04:02:40 PM »

First of all I do agree with you on a lot of points lazs, and if the public school system hadn't been left to dissrepair we would still be the best educated in the world.

However, liberal socialist is a contradiction in terms. Are you trying to say left of center or center of left? Its kind of like saying conservative liberal.

Its too bad that the public schools have become a breeding ground for propagandising our youth, but I've never seen socialism presented as anything in public schools here.

More pay for the teachers, more money for paper and heat and less hampering from administrators and people trying to mess with cirriculum. The dumbing down of America started when they started gutting the public schools.

I love that saying that goes: It will be a wonderful day when our schools have all the money they need and the air force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber. I don't completely agree with that of course, but its an interesting perspecitve.

lazs, you rant and rave about socialism and liberalism and interchange them, but what would you propose in stead? Libertarianism is socially left and economically right, and you dont like that either.

Food for thought: you know one of marx's principles was the universal arming of the masses?

Brenjen · « **Reply #63 on:** July 09, 2006, 06:51:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I don't think I like either of the definitions all that much.

I agree with that.

Rolex · « **Reply #64 on:** July 09, 2006, 06:59:34 PM »

I agree with your agreement with that.

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:00:28 AM »

68... so I am to give up individualism in order to be armed?

That is an example of one tiny item of a political philosophy that may appeal while the rest sickens.

Liberal socialism is not a contradiction in terms. If anything it is redundant. A trait that I don't mind having.... redundant used on most people still get's a "yeah but whaaaa did you mean?"

I am an individualist. this may appear to have some beliefes of all political philosophies but in the end.... it is anti socialist and... anti liberal.

In practice.... a liberal is a fine person to be around so long as he has no power over anyone.... Just as a socialist is. Both believe that we are social creatures and that individualists are an aberation.

Both liberals and socialists want to limit personal freedom for the good of the whole "humanity" They both love humanity but hate people.

An individualist loves people but hates humanity. Humanity to me is the mob in the theatre right after someone yells "fire" or the lynch mob.

Of all the systems... libertarianism is the least repugnant to me. Simply because they would interfere with me the least... Socialism or tyranny (same thing... matter of degree) appeal the least.

Liberal has become a dirty word... not because people don't understand it but because people are beggining TO understand it. Liberals allign themselves with the socialists in every case.... why is that? well..... in the end... they have the same goals and thoughts. That somehow... there must be a level playing field not in opportunity but.... in result. The effect being that the lazy and the sociopath and the whiner are fed at the expense of the individual... individual rights are forfiet in the perfectr liberal socialist world.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** July 10, 2006, 09:08:42 AM »

and... how have the schools been left to disrepair? are you saying the buildings? the grounds? How much "dissrepair" was the wood stove heated school house of the 1800's in?

How good a building do you need to teach kids? how much salary does someone need to be able to teach children?

Socialism is not even taught in schools.... it is the accepted way of life. Individualism is frowned on (to put it lightly). The socialists and liberals have destroyed the ability of schools to teach...

the taxpayers who are paying more every year for such a simple jop are not responsible for the crappy buildings.

The parents who have the kids a couple of hours a night are not responsible for the teachers inability to teach. The liberals with their lunch programs and illegal alien programs and social meddling are to bolame along with teachers unions who all vote liberal democrat (socialist).

lazs