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« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2006, 08:15:23 PM »
I'm glad you folks had a good time. It was interesting to see the faces associated with the handles.

Nonetheless, playing grab-ass with firearms  is a very, very bad idea....


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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2006, 12:16:29 AM »
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I'm glad you folks had a good time. It was interesting to see the faces associated with the handles.

Nonetheless, playing grab-ass with firearms  is a very, very bad idea....


My regards,

Widewing



We were sober, guns were cleaned and empty, safetys were on and no fingers were on triggers. :) We play "safe" but, thank you for your concern!

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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2006, 01:49:59 AM »
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We were sober, guns were cleaned and empty, safetys were on and no fingers were on triggers. :) We play "safe" but, thank you for your concern!


There is no "safe" playing with guns.... Treat every weapon as if it's loaded. I've known of too many people injured and killed by "unloaded" weapons. I've seen a guy dry fire an "unloaded" MP5 , shoot through a wall and miss his team leader's head by about an inch... The previous shooter didn't clear the chamber, but thought he had. I've also seen a Garand discharge when dropped on its buttstock due to a badly worn sear.

Please be careful, I like my Aces High buddies.

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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2006, 08:07:27 AM »
agree with wide... I guess we are just old fashioned.   Even in the movie industry people have been killed and injured from what were either blanks or supposedly not loaded guns.   I wish I could say that I have never had or witnessed an accident with a firearm.

We all get drunk and/or careless...  guns are pretty unforgiving teachers tho.

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« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2006, 09:10:46 AM »
Looks like you guys went to Buffalo Range on Ottawa. About the only public Illinois range anywhere near Chicago. I've not made it there yet. I go to McMiller Sports center in Wisconsin. Living up North (Buffalo Grove) it's about the same difference either way (1.25 hr. drive). McMiller is really top shelf in what it offers (25 yards to 300 yards, covered benches, good range officers, etc.) but I wouldn't mind checking out Buffalo's plinking pit with the carbine.

[edit: And not to be a buzz kill with a good natured post -- it is cool to see you guys and see you having fun -- but both my wife and best friend were almost shot with unloaded guns. In both cases a father's cleaning accident. That would really, really suck.

I guess a though on the matter is that you could know absolutely that the weapon is safe. Remove the bolt, drop the mag, rod the barrel, etc. In the military you do a lot of pointing and training with "safe" firearms after making sure they are as safe as they can be. However, some day, someone who might be the weakest firearm experience/common sense link in the group, a newcomer, a friend of a friend who is hanging out, etc., may pick up a weapon and decide to play along without the same level of consideration. I was reading a post on Gunboards or Parallax Bills site, can't remember which, that covered a bunch of these (and we've all been there with some intentional bad judgement or a moment of carelessness). Better not to stretch the gound rules in the first place, IMO.]

Again, enough of being a buzz kill. Looks like a fun time and a good selection of events for this time of year in Chicagoland. We have to enjoy summer while we can up this way :)

Charon
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« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2006, 09:37:38 AM »
SHAWK and Tommy Chong....twins separated at birth :)

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« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2006, 10:22:08 AM »
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SHAWK and Tommy Chong....twins separated at birth :)

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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2006, 02:09:10 PM »
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There is no "safe" playing with guns.... Treat every weapon as if it's loaded. I've known of too many people injured and killed by "unloaded" weapons. I've seen a guy dry fire an "unloaded" MP5 , shoot through a wall and miss his team leader's head by about an inch... The previous shooter didn't clear the chamber, but thought he had. I've also seen a Garand discharge when dropped on its buttstock due to a badly worn sear.

Please be careful, I like my Aces High buddies.

My regards,

Widewing




OMFG DUDE...CHILL OUT, THE GUNS WERE IN A DAMN CABINET LOCKED AWAY NO ONE TOUCHED THE GUNS TILL SUNDAY WHEN THEY WENT TO THE SHOOTING RANGE....DUHHHHHHHHHHHH....GE EZE!!!!!!!
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« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2006, 02:33:20 PM »
See what happens when you give em rights?




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« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2006, 03:27:01 PM »
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See what happens when you give em rights?




:D


LOLOL...

By the way Betty, that Garand pointed at the guy's head... I don't think it's locked in a cabinet.....

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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2006, 09:51:45 PM »
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LOLOL...

By the way Betty, that Garand pointed at the guy's head... I don't think it's locked in a cabinet.....

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You are right ... treat every weapon as if it were loaded. I can't argue that. I am not going to keep addressing this ... I posted the pics to share what we did not to start a debate. The guns even though it looks good were not pointed directly at anyone. Wonderful world of technology. There is a safe way to do things ... also what you do not realize is I personally have shot with three out of the four guys there almost all my life and trust them all individually with my own life as they do thiers with mine. It is great that you are trying to keep us safe but, you are looking at a picture and not a history or what took place before or after. I believe we all have lost family and friends to Cancer, Car Wrecks, Alcohol And Drug Abuse and so much more yet some of us drink, smoke and never see a doctor. Thanks for the great advise. I just want my post to be enjoyed by all and not picked apart by what was right and wrong. Enjoy the pics ... and I quote the words of Jerry Springer "Take care of yourself and each other"

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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2006, 10:01:05 PM »
Lol .....Looks like everyone there had a great time :)
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« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2006, 11:06:55 PM »
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You are right ... treat every weapon as if it were loaded. I can't argue that. I am not going to keep addressing this ... I posted the pics to share what we did not to start a debate. The guns even though it looks good were not pointed directly at anyone. Wonderful world of technology. There is a safe way to do things ... also what you do not realize is I personally have shot with three out of the four guys there almost all my life and trust them all individually with my own life as they do thiers with mine. It is great that you are trying to keep us safe but, you are looking at a picture and not a history or what took place before or after. I believe we all have lost family and friends to Cancer, Car Wrecks, Alcohol And Drug Abuse and so much more yet some of us drink, smoke and never see a doctor. Thanks for the great advise. I just want my post to be enjoyed by all and not picked apart by what was right and wrong. Enjoy the pics ... and I quote the words of Jerry Springer "Take care of yourself and each other"


Thanks for the reply Michelle, please understand that I don't wish to seem like the Grinch. You folks seem to have had a great time. Indeed, I very nearly didn't post as I didn't want to pee in the pool, so to speak. But, I've become something of a gun safety fanatic, having seen too many accidents.

About 6 or 7 years ago, my 16 year-old nephew spent a week at our home, along with his slightly younger cousin. One afternoon, he got the bright idea to open my gun cabinet and take out one of my old WWI Enfield SMLEs. As I walked into the den, he shoulders the rifle and takes aim at his cousin's head. Now, these rifles are on display because they're too old to be fired, thus the firing pins are removed. Nonetheless, this level of foolishness could not be tolerated. So, instead of swimming in the pool with his cousins, my nephew spent the rest of the day sitting at the dining room table reading an Eddie Eagle gun safety workbook. To make sure he actually read it, he was given a quiz.

So what prompted me to be so zealous? Lot's of things, I suppose. But, the real motivator happened in 1995. Recall my mention of dry firing an MP5 in a previous post? Those guys were ATF and they screwed up. MP5s, unlike most subguns, fire from a closed bolt, so it's easy to overlook a round in the chamber...

This one was closer to home, actually in my home. A friend of mine had borrowed two of my Mausers, both 98Ks. He returned them, having only fired one, which he had cleaned and oiled. My brother was visiting (he's a county deputy sheriff) when I removed the rifles from the carry case. As I inspected the rifle that had been used, my brother picked up the other Mauser, pointed it at a sofa, and for some unexplainable reason, squeezed the trigger.

The Mauser discharged. It shot through the sofa, the wall, and through both sides of our garage (and through my Scotts lawn spreader). The round was finally stopped by a fence post, preventing it from reaching my neighbor's house. Not 30 seconds before, my wife was sitting on that sofa.

Needless to say, there were several really upset people in my home.

This was a typical example of event cascading. While my friend did not shoot this Mauser, he had loaded five rounds into the magazine and chambered a round. Distracted by another shooter, he layed the rifle on the bench. A short time later, the rangemaster called the line to check targets. At that point my friend decided to call it a day. He cycled the bolt to empty the magazine and chamber. He apparently miscounted. He then cleaned the other Mauser right at the bench and placed both in the hard case, somehow not realizing that the second rifle was loaded, chambered and cocked. Then my brother, having a lot of experience with firarms, did something equally stupid. There was no good excuse for either of them. Both were careless and lax.

We were lucky, I could repair the damage this time.

So, I'm not talking down to anyone. I'm simply reminding people that even under the most innocent of circumstances, things can go very wrong. Maybe not this time, or the next 100 times. But, sooner or later, someone will find themselves being less than diligent. When that happens, and it will, you want every edge you can have and the way you get that edge is through making safety a habit.

Now, all of that said, you look like a fun bunch of folks to spend a weekend with.

Again, thanks for the thoughtful reply.

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Widewing
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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2006, 11:24:43 PM »
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Thanks for the reply Michelle,  

Again, thanks for the thoughtful reply.

My regards,

Widewing


No problem ... just wanted you to know you are right about safety and very fortunate with what could of been tragic. I looked at the pics and just wanted you to know the experience, history and the "illusion" was as safe as it could be and agree that they are not toys. Now with that being said why didn't you fly in and go with us? :)

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« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2006, 08:38:17 AM »
again... agree with widewing... I am glad you guys had fun and that looks like a really neat range and.... I really don't want to be a grinch either but...

Even if you guys were doing all the right things I never like to see those kind of pictures because people with less abilities or less sense might take them to mean that it is ok to point guns at each other.

lazs