Author Topic: Fox news reports "Israel at war" (Read 3009 times)

Vad · « **Reply #60 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:36:10 PM »

Ok, Israel retaliated... Let see what's happened already:

1. About 50 Lebanon civilians were killed. No information about killed terrorists, but ok, let assume that there are few. But death of that 50 civilians generates hundreds of new terrorists - their children, relatives, neighbours, etc.
Only complete idiot can declare "war on terror", and it is my real thought about Bush, Putin and others. When they say "War on terror" I imagine nuclear warheads dropping on my drive-in to kill couple of car robbers. Or even serial killer, it doesn't matter.

You know how nuclear reaction works? One neutron initiates fission of one nucleus which produces several other neutrons which in their turn initiate other fissions and so on... There is no way to stop nuclear reaction trying to fission non-destructed nucleus, you will speed reaction up! STOP FISSION!

2. $5+ in oil prices, and it is just the beginning. Who will be affected more - developed world or poor Palestinians? And who will get profit - you or Arabs and "evil" Russia? BTW, I've started to think that Bush' election was sponsored by the Kremlin. Thanks to Bush's politics Russia got so much money for oil that they have almost restored economic and military power in few years. God, bless Bush!

3. Do you really think that killing hundred of Hezbollah members will solve anything? Israel has to destroy Syria, Iran and, mostly important, Saudi Arabia who actually is sponsor of terrorism to achive some effect! Do you really believek that the USA or Israel is ready to do that? Do you know how to feed and look after the horses? Do you have backyard big enough to feed couple of horses for transportation purposes?

Ok, it was long variant.

Shortly saying, I agree with Drediock.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #61 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:56:09 PM »

So, I suppose YOUR answer is to tolerate the acts of terrorism. Especially when they have no effect on you personally.

Because ignoring them doesn't work.

Being nice to them doesn't work.

Placating them doesn't work.

Treating them with respect doesn't work.

Reasoning with them doesn't work.

The more they escalate the issue, the more of them you kill.

By the way, yes, Israel has taken steps to minimize civilian casualties, and they have targeted and hit terrorist leaders of both Hamas and Hezbollah since this started.

Oh, and Hell yes I'll pay another dollar more for a freaking gallon of gas rather than stand by while an ally is attacked, and sure as Hell before I'll ask them to lay there and take it in the ass. Screw that.

And yes, I not only know how to look after the horses, I know where they are and how to saddle and ride them. I also know how to grow food, kill food, manufacture ammo, maintain weapons, and make tools. Along with building shelter.

If oil gets high enough, we'll just go ahead and make gas and oil out of alcohol, diesel out of vegatable oil, and I figure we can make the rest of the necessary lubricants out of various other substances. We can just build more nuclear power plants too. Mine more coal. Drill the ANWAR, and the Gulf of Mexico (especially since Castro is going to let China or Argentina do it anyway).

Works for me.

Thrawn · « **Reply #62 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:59:05 PM »

I have yet to see a source that shows that Israel has declared war.

I do see that Bush is being a big old hypocrit.

"U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice has called for Israel to exercise restraint and for the return of the two captured Israelis by Hezbollah. But U.S. President George W Bush said Israel has the right to defend itself, so long as the Lebanese government was not destabilized. "

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/07/13/israel-lebanon.html

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #63 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:17:27 PM »

The word is hypocrite.

And given the fact that Lebanon is pretty much infested by Hezbollah, how the Hell do you destabilize it? It's run by terrorists. They're by definition unstable.

zorch · « **Reply #64 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:21:07 PM »

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Oh, and Hell yes I'll pay another dollar more for a freaking gallon of gas rather than stand by while an ally is attacked, and sure as Hell before I'll ask them to lay there and take it in the ass. Screw that.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-te.nsa02jul02,0,754404.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

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WASHINGTON -- The number of reported attempts to penetrate Pentagon
computer networks rose sharply in the past decade, from fewer than 800
in 1996 to more than 160,000 last year - thousands of them successful.
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"What's at stake here is the security of the nation, because we are
under monster attack from China, Russia, Israel, France and so on," a
former government official said.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #65 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:27:54 PM »

Yes, Israel spies on us, and we spy on them, and Britain spies on us, and we spy on them and so on and so on.

LePaul · « **Reply #66 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:34:23 PM »

Thrawn, you amuse me.

Still

Black Sheep · « **Reply #67 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:36:13 PM »

Israels post haste to escalations of war (yet again) only drive home the fact to me that they really don't deserve the plot of land they have.

Thrawn · « **Reply #68 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:37:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The word is hypocrite.

Thanks for the correction.

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And given the fact that Lebanon is pretty much infested by Hezbollah, how the Hell do you destabilize it? It's run by terrorists. They're by definition unstable.

I don't know, ask Bush.

lukster · « **Reply #69 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:38:07 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Have you bothered to read this thread?

This isn't the first post. Try from the beginning, things may make more sense.

Read from the left to the right.

If your not sure about left from right, go out to your car, the steering wheel is on the left.

If they don't let you drive just look to the side of the little yellow bus tojo and the driver sit on.

First post? Do I need to read anything else you've written to know that Israel was attacked by Hezbolah? They certainly have the right to respond. I'm glad you're decision not to support them because they didn't wait for permission to defend temselves means squat when it comes to what the US will or won't do.

Vad · « **Reply #70 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:41:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
So, I suppose YOUR answer is to tolerate the acts of terrorism. Especially when they have no effect on you personally.

Because ignoring them doesn't work.

Being nice to them doesn't work.

Placating them doesn't work.

Treating them with respect doesn't work.

Reasoning with them doesn't work.

The more they escalate the issue, the more of them you kill.

By the way, yes, Israel has taken steps to minimize civilian casualties, and they have targeted and hit terrorist leaders of both Hamas and Hezbollah since this started.

Oh, and Hell yes I'll pay another dollar more for a freaking gallon of gas rather than stand by while an ally is attacked, and sure as Hell before I'll ask them to lay there and take it in the ass. Screw that.

And yes, I not only know how to look after the horses, I know where they are and how to saddle and ride them. I also know how to grow food, kill food, manufacture ammo, maintain weapons, and make tools. Along with building shelter.

If oil gets high enough, we'll just go ahead and make gas and oil out of alcohol, diesel out of vegatable oil, and I figure we can make the rest of the necessary lubricants out of various other substances. We can just build more nuclear power plants too. Mine more coal. Drill the ANWAR, and the Gulf of Mexico (especially since Castro is going to let China or Argentina do it anyway).

Works for me.

My answer - there is no such thing like terrorism in the world.
From your point of view, Hezbollah and Al'Qaida are terrorist , and the USA and Israel fight againns terrorism. Similar, for me Chechen rebels are terrorists, and we are right when killed Basaev.
But the problem is that they think exactly the same - we are terrorists, and they are fighting against terror. Where is difference between us? The USA (or Russia, or Israel, doesn't matter in this case) never killed civilians? I don't even want to say that actually all terrorist are "civilians", they are not serving in any army of any state. So, in the worst case they are criminal according to law, and have must be treated according criminal code and human rights. They should have right to lawyer, court, phone call, etc. If we kill them like wolfs from helicopters, tanks, planes violating our own laws they have all rights to use any methods to protect themself and protest against.

So forget about "we are good guys, and they are bad guys", we are absolutely the same.

But there is one difference between us.
They killed one of our guys, and we didn't get any additional resources from this death. May be some frustration in society, some kind of retalitaion, revenge.... we will kill some of them.... ok. But we lost one.
We kill one of them, and several others will replace him. More we kill more they blow in.

We will lose this game if we will act like now.

And regarding horses... ok, you will survive if you know so much. But first of all you will need to kill hundreds of you neighbours to get enough land to feed yourself and your family. Terrorists will be angels by the side of you...

EagleEyes · « **Reply #71 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:41:53 PM »

Israel has every right to defend its borders against terrorist attacking and kidnapping thier soliders. Israel pulled ALL of their troops out of Gaza and Lebonon without anybody telling them they HAD to. This ment that Hazballah and Hamas didnt have a legal reason to attack their "occupiers". But now that Israel is back in both areas, they can claim self defence!! I say let Israel do what they want. They didnt start this round off "war". Hamas attacked Israel and captured an Israeli solider. So in turn Israel attacked Gaza to get their solider back. Hazballah attacks Israel and captures 2 more Israeli soliders, so Israel attacks back. Both these terrorist groups are responsible for what is going on, not Israel, they are only defending themselves. And let us not forget our Iranian friends whom launched a missile from Lebanon into Israel. Yep, thats right IRANIAN soliders launched MISSILES from Lebanon into Israel. It was mentioned on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News. So to those of you that are going to say "your making it up, get the facts!" Well, i did!!

God bless Israel and God give them Victory!!!

US has your back 110%!!

lukster · « **Reply #72 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:45:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Vad

So forget about "we are good guys, and they are bad guys", we are absolutely the same.

You may be the same as those who refuse peace while intentionally blowing up school busses and cafes but don't lump me in with that crowd.

ghi · « **Reply #73 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:49:57 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

I do beleive Isreal is going overboard and the end result could be disasterous for her.

I don't agree with you,cuz i'm christian and i belive in the Bible's prophetic msg,
Is going to be a war, but the books of Ezekiel,Isaiah, Revelation , shows clear who's going to win

EagleEyes · « **Reply #74 on:** July 13, 2006, 11:58:53 PM »

I agree with you Ghi, this very well be what was told in the bible! But then again, people thought the same about WWII and the first Gulf War. But i still agree with you strongly!