Author Topic: I say let them shoot it out (Read 1965 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2006, 02:56:44 PM »

comparing our street gangs to the hezboobs?

no stretch there ..

Neubob · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2006, 02:58:11 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
but lecture Lebanon about dis-arming thier border guarding militia.

People guard borders by firing katyushas into strategically-valueless, civilian-populated areas? It must be my lack of Arab-centric perspective that isn't permitting me to see the inherent logic and reason behind such a defensive tactic.

Good thing the IDF isn't quite so Arab-centric. If they were, we'd have pre-emptive nuclear strikes in downtown Beirut to ensure the survival of Israeli soverienty.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2006, 03:26:22 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Very informative 0847 Marine. You gave me a new perspective on it.

Now if I were a political member in Israel, I would try to use Lebanons religious beliefs in my favor. After a particularly brutal series of airstrikes, or a ground invasion, I would broadcast to the Lebanese people a couple of messages

(1) Why isn't your god protecting you?
(2) You have made your god angry by attacking your neighbor (Israel). Now he is punishing you.

Its not enough to just bomb people. One has to break their will and morale.

At first my wife and I argued over this, I don't not agree with her on many issues.

She grew up watching bloody, horrific and graphic video of the israeli army bulldozing homes with people inside, bloody kids, dead infants, and the aftermath of an air strike by a US made plane with a US trained pilot using US bombs.

When is the last time your 10 year old saw a bloody suffering carcass on TV with the caption "More israeli terrorist acts backed by USA" emblazoned across the screen? No 10 year old American kid will ever see that. 10 year old Iranians see it daily.

The Arab media is very good at using shocking video to make its point. My wife vividly remembers, as a kid, watching horrible footage of the "evil acts" done by Israel, and how it's OK to bulldoze a family since they are Americas little brother.

Nobody can erase a lifetime of media conditioning with any quick fix, my wife still thinks Isreal is just as evil as any terrorist group... and based on where she grew up, I cant say I blame her.

For the record my wife says there will never be peace in that area, all sides share the blame for decades of 'bad blood'.

Gryffin · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2006, 03:35:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
I dont agree with this, if your talking about the US media, I have always felt the Israelis got unfair and misleading treatment by the mainstream american news media.

You don't want to hear about the conflict from the australian media then!

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2006, 03:38:49 PM »

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When is the last time your 10 year old saw a bloody suffering carcass on TV

Me. I was 10 years old (born 1983) and distinctly remember seeing footage of Muslims dragging dead U.S. soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu.

As I was watching this, I remember my dad saying "Were over there trying to feed them, and this is how they repay us". I was confused at the time, I wasn't sure if the soldiers were alive or dead being dragged through the streets.

The difference though is I can be objective about the situation (now), because I have education.

Neubob · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2006, 03:47:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Gryffin
You don't want to hear about the conflict from the australian media then!

I sure would!

I'd like to hear any convincing arguement that paints the Israelis as the oppressors of the poor, gentle, noble Arabs. And what a story it must be, a nation of 6 1/4 million keeping a boot on a people over a quarter billion strong.

Of course, we shouldn't be surprised. It's long been known that the Zionist conspiracy to undermine and subjugate the world has been brewing for at least 5 millenia.

Now that we've turned our vigilant backs, they've gone and overrun Europe and North America.

Gryffin · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2006, 04:03:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
I sure would!

I'd like to hear any convincing arguement that paints the Israelis as the oppressors of the poor, gentle, noble Arabs. And what a story it must be, a nation of 6 1/4 million keeping a boot on a people over a quarter billion strong.

LOL!

For a start, there aren't a quarter of a billion people in the west bank, gaza and east jerusalem. The israelis have the numerical and military advantage over the palestinians.

Secondly you have (probably intentionally) misunderstood me. Both sides are portrayed as being as bad as each other. When the palestinian side does something bad, sets off a bomb somewhere, or fires rockets into israel, whatever, it gets reported.

It's just that we also hear about what the israeli military does to the palestinians in the occupied areas. And it doesn't look good when we hear about a military force attacking a civilian population. I saw an interview a few years ago with a palestinian woman whose elderly father was shot because he had been told to leave his house by israeli soldiers, and he was too slow. When do you see interviews with palestinian civilians in the american media?

Honestly I think it will be generations before peace will be possible in the region. Neither side can forgive the other after the events of the last decade or so since the violence started.

Neubob · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2006, 04:27:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Gryffin
(probably intentionally)

You're probably right.

I must apologize if I responded caustically. Listening to and seeing this crap on the radio, TV and internet all day long, not to mention dealing with my life as a whole, tends to wear my treads down a little.

My mention of the quarter billion, however, was intentional. I see this as a Pan Arab/Israeli issue, and while some bring up only Palestine, I tend to go back to the more global problem of nation versus nation, ideology versus ideology, ethnicity versus ethnicity.

Eagler · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2006, 04:33:11 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
.. TV with the caption "More israeli terrorist acts backed by USA" emblazoned across the screen? .... 10 year old Iranians see it daily..

sounds like they are brainwashed well ...

Sandman · « **Reply #24 on:** July 18, 2006, 04:36:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
sounds like they are brainwashed well ...

You make it sound as if propaganda does not exist anywhere but the mid-east.

Eagler · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
You make it sound as if propaganda does not exist anywhere but the mid-east.

I didn't say that but ignorance and US hatred brainwashin are alive and well in the ME .. do you not agree?

Sandman · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:42:18 PM »

Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.

Yeager · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2006, 05:52:58 PM »

Hey gryff, its really not that hard to do. I mean with the tard net we are all just one big media family!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/

http://www.news.com.au/

http://www.thewest.com.au/

http://www.abc.net.au/news/

Looks to me like you guys get the same media crap as everyone else

Its all a matter of what you want to believe.

Eagler · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:32:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.

so you are saying the average teen/young adult in the US is running around with the same level of hatred for the arabs/muslims as the average teen/young adult in the ME has towards the US?

I say BS .. and I know you know it's BS

Neubob · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2006, 08:50:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Just as ignorance and arab hatred brainwashin is alive and well here in the US.

Yeah, no kidding....

Just this week alone I attended at least a dozen flag burnings of flags belonging to Arab nations. I personally burned a few of their leaders in effigy. Oh yeah, and I forgot, I chant 'God is Great' every time I see one of them scraped off a sidewalk.

I remember seeing shots of Hoboken NY right after 9/11. A lot of smiling, pleased faces when the news of the collapses came, partying in the streets. Not so many shots of crying, weeping, Arabs in the middle east, distraught that so many of their fellow humans had perished.

We're less brainwashed here simply by virtue of the mixing. And maybe brainwashing isn't the right term. Personally, I think they're convinced in their rightouseness, and yes, even in that sense, they've got us beat. There are more Arabs living here, in DC, than there are in many Middle eastern cities. I don't need to watch them on TV or read about them in the papers. If there's anything that promotes suspicion, fear and, yes, hatred, it's watching them live.

I sometimes think that their biggest advantage over us is that they've embraced and legitimized their dislike of the West. While they've made up their minds, we're still wallowing in our politically-correct guilt, unable to decide between standing up and doing something or lowering our collective pants to the floor. We can't force ourselves to think of them as then enemy, and yet, at the end of the day, they know where they stand on the issue of Western civilization. We're too busy trying to save everyone from their own ideology to smell that they're shoveling at us. Their resolve makes our nuclear arsenal limp.