Author Topic: Iraq civilian toll spikes to nearly 6,000 in the last 2 months (Read 1227 times)

Gunston · « **Reply #15 on:** July 19, 2006, 01:40:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
ghi, those are moslims killing moslims, rejoice in the beautiful simplicity of it!

Unless of course,........your a moslem

God is Great!

Yeager kind of off your topic but I think it Reinforces what your thinking. Another Churchill Quote (love that guy he had a way with words)

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualist deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."”

Gunston · « **Reply #16 on:** July 19, 2006, 01:54:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash

I'm exposed to all kinds of accountant-speak..... but I've never heard it said:

"Coldly taken as a daily average..."

And I have no idea what this means:

"Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

...and since you're quoting something here, mind if you give me your source?

Nash can't remember exactly where in two I did the cut and paste of the quote but these are the sites I looked at you'll find it and more in them.

http://iraqiholocaust.blogspot.com/2004/08/website-documental-center-for-human.html

http://www.gbn.com/ArticleDisplayServlet.srv?aid=2400&msp=1242
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Edit.. read thru them it's the second one. But check out the 1st also some good 1st hand accounts of what a paradise it was for the Iraqi's under Saddam

Nash · « **Reply #17 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:10:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunston
the are the sites I looked at you'll find it and more in them.

That's not "sites." That's one site. Singular.

It's called "iraqiholocaust.blogspot.com"

I encourage eveyone to go read it....

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"Numbers do not capture the quality of death that remains the main issue for those still alive. In any case most victims meet a different fate [from those whose executions are officially recognized]. The pattern is for agents to pick someone up from work, or at night from his house. No explanations are proffered as there would be in an official killing."

This is the very first paragraph to the site. Sorta like going to IBM's website where they say "IBM is about solution-based thinking, and we'll take your business to places here-to-fore unknown."

Well... Gunston has latched onto a website that talks about "officially recognized" deaths and the "quality of death" and "most victims" and "official killings."

.....in its very first, welcoming paragraph.

Good to meet ya, Gun.... wouldn't wanna be ya.

Peace.

Gunston · « **Reply #18 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:23:34 AM »

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

Nash · « **Reply #19 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:30:54 AM »

Call me a pompous bellybutton all you want.

Am I supposed to give a crap that your HATE website was actually only the 2nd site you meant to post?

Really?

Go ahead... tell me to "look in the mirror" all you want.

It doesn't mean a thing to me, and it doesn't excuse you.

Gunston · « **Reply #20 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:37:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Call me a pompous bellybutton all you want.

Am I supposed to give a crap that your HATE website was actually only the 2nd site you meant to post?

Really?

Go ahead... tell me to "look in the mirror" all you want.

It doesn't mean a thing to me, and it doesn't excuse you.

Believe me the last thing that I would worry about is whether you would excuse me

Nash · « **Reply #21 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:44:26 AM »

I believe you.

Have I indicated differently?

You have, afterall, directed us to such useful pearls of wisdom such as:

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"Numbers do not capture the quality of death that remains the main issue for those still alive. In any case most victims meet a different fate [from those whose executions are officially recognized]. The pattern is for agents to pick someone up from work, or at night from his house. No explanations are proffered as there would be in an official killing."

...splayed out there on the front page like a flashing siren as if to say "Only psychopaths beyond this point."

Thanks for sharing, though.

Gunston · « **Reply #22 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:50:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Call me a pompous bellybutton all you want.

Am I supposed to give a crap that your HATE website was actually only the 2nd site you meant to post?

Really?

Go ahead... tell me to "look in the mirror" all you want.

It doesn't mean a thing to me, and it doesn't excuse you.

But I do have to admit you got me with that "Hate" website comment.

What gave it away was it that report by the well known right wing hate group Amnesty International.

Or the other one from the equally well know right wing extremist group Human Rights Watch.

Yea I guess I'm going to have to get up pretty early to slide any of those Republican Hate Groups Propaganda under your nose.

edit... just went back to the site it was that report from the radical conservative TV network the BBC on the tortured and murdered children was'nt it.

Dang if only I could have deleted that one maybe you wouldn't have picked up on the whole "Hate" website thing

Gunston · « **Reply #23 on:** July 19, 2006, 02:53:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
I believe you.

Have I indicated differently?

You have, afterall, directed us to such useful pearls of wisdom such as:

...splayed out there on the front page like a flashing siren as if to say "Only psychopaths beyond this point."

Thanks for sharing, though.

I'll tell you what with a little luck someone else will visit the sites and we can see what their comments are based on the info there and not your selective cut and paste of a few select sentences.

Nash · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:00:19 AM »

Yeah...

"Global Business Network" and "iraqiholocaust" are somehow the covers for Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

You're sleep walking. You have to be. Put down the knife and go back to bed. Nobody will remember this in the morning.

Gunston · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:06:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah...

"Global Business Network" and "iraqiholocaust" are somehow the covers for Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

You're sleep walking. You have to be. Put down the knife and go back to bed. Nobody will remember this in the morning.

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

Nash · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:07:42 AM »

You callin' me a moron now?

Gunston · « **Reply #27 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:11:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
You callin' me a moron now?

Well you said I could call you a pompous bellybutton thought I would try my luck with that one. And if your going to label a website you never really took a look at a "Hate" website...if the shoe fits.

Nash · « **Reply #28 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:23:53 AM »

Don't insult me.

If I call a website junk....that's only my opinion, sir.

(but chances are.... sorry.... it's junk)

A quick retread over your comments and your sentiment...... It's unmistakable.

War.

You're elated.

And it's sick.

Perhaps something to do with the "quality of death" that you want us to get off of some hate-blog.

Who knows....

Bed time.

Gunston · « **Reply #29 on:** July 19, 2006, 03:39:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Don't insult me.

If I call a website junk....that's only my opinion, sir.

(but chances are.... sorry.... it's junk)

A quick retread over your comments and your sentiment is unmistakable.

War.

You're elated.

And it's sick.

Perhaps something to do with the "quality of death" that you want us to get off of some hate-blog.

Who knows....

Bed time.

Actually no I hate the war but unlike you understand the need to defend the world from a grave threat.

Also there is quite a difference between calling a website a "junk" website and calling it a "HATE" website. "HATE" conjures up the mental image of a KKK or Nazi image in peoples minds and I don't think many they go there will come away with that impression.