Author Topic: New System (help needed) (Read 524 times)

Puck · « **on:** July 26, 2006, 03:30:10 PM »

I just put a new game box together.

AMD64, 1.5G DDR400 RAM, GeForce 7300GS, etc, etc, etc. It's in a 4U rack mount case if that helps.

In any event, my frame rate dropped to about 9 with 5 aircraft around last night. Does anyone have some good tweaking tips? This is significantly lower than my Athlon 2600+/All-In-Wonder 9700 system.

Truncated dxdiag output follows (ran into the BBS char limiter):
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System Information
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Time of this report: 7/26/2006, 14:21:22
Machine name: PLUTO
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: NVIDIA
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1536MB RAM
Page File: 209MB used, 3222MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GS
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7300 GS
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_01DF&SUBSYS_034E196E&REV_A1
Display Memory: 512.0 MB
Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9131 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 6/1/2006 17:22:00, 4529408 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 6/1/2006 17:22:00, 3925920 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-429F-11CF-7559-442300C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x01DF
SubSys ID: 0x034E196E
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: Santa Cruz(tm)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: TURTLE_BEACH\SANTA_CRUZ_WDM_INTERFACE
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: tbcwdm.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.4161 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 4/3/2002 10:51:15, 545088 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Voyetra Turtle Beach
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 8000, 48000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 96, 95
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 96, 95
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): Yes
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0059&SUBSYS_AE011458&REV_A2
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.6010 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 1/13/2006 13:39:48, 3844288 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF5F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 8000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 26, 25
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 26, 25
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Santa Cruz(tm)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: tbcwdm.sys
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.4161 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 4/3/2002 10:51:15, 545088 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Capture: No
Default Voice Capture: No
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.6010 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 1/13/2006 13:39:48, 3844288 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x41
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
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DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: Enabled
Ports: Santa Cruz DLS Synth, Hardware (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, External, Default Port
Realtek AC97 Audio, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Santa Cruz(tm), Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Santa Cruz DLS Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Santa Cruz External MIDI [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
Santa Cruz External MIDI [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: CH Pro Throttle USB
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x068E, 0xC0F1
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: CH Pro Pedals USB
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x1
Vendor/Product ID: 0x068E, 0xC0F2
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: CH Fighterstick USB
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x2
Vendor/Product ID: 0x068E, 0xC0F3
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x005A
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 8/4/2004 00:08:42, 57600 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/29/2002 06:00:00, 4736 bytes

Skuzzy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2006, 03:42:53 PM »

Having two sound cards enabled is not going to help.

I havd to research a bit. The 7300 sounds like a low end video card, but that is a guess.

fuzeman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2006, 03:59:42 PM »

Minor clarification if I may. Skuzzy may have meant two sound devices although two cound cards also fits.
Make sure that AC97 onboard sound chip is disabled.

Of course its a definate possibility I don't know what I'm typing about.
A fairly common occurance, I might add.

Puck · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2006, 07:07:41 PM »

The AC97 goes away the next time I reboot, and the 7300 is pretty low end but one would hope higher end than a 5 year old ATI card, eh?

I think you know the answer but won't tell me because I'm using IDE, right? I have 4 adaptec cards hostage here...

38ruk · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2006, 10:52:42 PM »

actually the 9700 pro is faster than a 7300GS , i looked up some 3d mark 05 scores and the 9700 was around 2300 mrks vs the 7300's 1800 mrks. Plus the 9700 was tested on a 2002 vintage cpu vs the 7300's 2006 amd 64 . fwiw

Roscoroo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:48:46 PM »

can that card even fill the 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz) screen fast enough ??

also

driver ?????

Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9131 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 6/1/2006

38ruk · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:58:08 PM »

Good catch Roo , 1600X1200 is going to put a world of hurt on that card.

Puck · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:59:31 PM »

What you're saying is to quit goofing off and get a real PCIx video card?

Any suggestions? <$200 please.

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2006, 09:31:55 AM »

x800gto or x850gt comes to mind as one of the top end. Otherwise if you can find one for the price, Ge7800

Puck · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2006, 09:41:58 AM »

XFX GeForce 7900 GTX / 512MB GDDR3 / SLI / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV / Video Card (P450-7838)

Ok, so it was a bit more than $200, but it's better than loosing a tempest to low frame rate. Should have it early next week.

...then I need to find another excuse for poor flight performance. Hrm. Cosmic rays. That's it!

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:40:52 PM »

Some things to consider on the "new" video cards..........

Just because its new doesnt mean its fast, as you found out. It means it can make use of all the fancy new shading and lighting techniques being used in the latest games though. Visuals get better, performance may or may not. I dont think any of the 7xxx series Nvidia cards have seen their true potential yet, mainly due to driver problems. I dont think the 7300 will turn out to be a bad card either once they get decent drivers out. Hardware is only as good as the drivers that interface it to the OS and to your applications.

Also remember that there are many other things affecting frame rate besides the speed or power of the GPU. Size of the bus on the card for instance. Alot of the low end new cards are going backwards and using a 128 bit bus to save money. Thats going to slow things down. They sometimes use cheaper, slower memory too. Your video card's settings make a huge impact on overall performance and frame rates too. As noted, having a really high resolution setting uses up tons of resources that could be freed by taking it back a couple notches. Adding higher AA settings and AF settings, having optimizations turned off so the eye candy is at maximum, all of these add to the load. System memory and CPU are important too because those settings strain all your resources, not just the video card. Everything is related and everything leans on everything else. Your entire system is only as good as the weakest link. CPU is especially important because AH requires so many calculations from it to run the game, and yet it still has to take care of all its other tasks as well. The more the CPU can do at once the easier the load will be to bear.

Just dont expect a new video card will give you those high frame rates you dream about all by itself.

outbreak · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2006, 07:05:05 AM »

Kinda like my GeForce 6600 GT, Keeps me Running at about 60FPS and 45-50 when im in Fighter Town or in GV Wars, And thats set at 1024 Hi-Res Tex Pack.

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System:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939 Processor

Western Digital 160gig Ultra ATA 133

Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard

GIGABYTE GV-NX66T128D Geforce 6600GT 128MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner

CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200)

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 ATX 430W Power Supply

Spire BlackFin V SP-3005B Black Metal SECC/ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case.

Runs Aces High Very Well

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Puck · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2006, 10:52:40 AM »

I tweaked the performance settings and I'm getting a pretty consistant 25-50 fps (give or take the number of flaming rooks in view) with an occasional hiccup. Very playable, at least.

Should have the new card early next week.

I love the LCD, though. 20" Sony LCD replaced my 21" trinitron, and the improved clarity and contrast is amazing.