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Offline StSanta

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« on: September 08, 2001, 05:46:00 AM »
http://www.tiac.net/users/hcunn/rus/eng/eng-toc.html

Very interesting reading  :)

Not all children in capitalist countries can go to school. Many parents are too poor to send their children there. Often children do not like school because in some countries teachers still beat the children. Sometimes teachers hate their work and hate the children whom they must teach. The children feel this, of course, and do not try to learn.

That's a gem. Certainly is true for this capitalistic opressor of the people

The mill-owners in the United States exploit the workers and especially the Negro workers. They teach the white people to hate the coloured workers.

"The white workers and the coloured workers must not unite against us. Let them hate each other," say the mill-owners.


YEAH baby - play 'um out against each other. Those evil capitalists - none of the respect for human life and love between races that is so common in the good old Soviet Union  :D.

Lots of other examples. It's nice that they learned English - and ALSO the true nature of the western world  :D.

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »
Oh my, is this for real?

I have a question: what was the comunist Soviet view towards other races? (blacks, asians, etc)

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2001, 09:10:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Animal:
Oh my, is this for real?

I have a question: what was the comunist Soviet view towards other races? (blacks, asians, etc)

In theory? That all men were created equal... er, unless they were capitalist, of course. In practice... things were different, as I understand things.

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2001, 07:56:00 AM »
All men were created equal, but some are more equal than others?

Thanks for the link santa, very interesting.

The Russian kids I met back in 1990 were the same age as me (about 11 y/o). We had so many questions for each other, so neither 'side' must have paid attention to its school books.  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2001, 09:37:00 AM »
Wow.  And i thought that "schoolbook" was the USA's  Liberal-Democrat political "divide-and-conquer-through-racial-hate-and-class-envy" manifesto.

J. Jackson, Al Sharpton, Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, Dick Gephardt, Tom Daschle, and  Bill("the nations of the Pacific Islands will drown in 50 years due to Global Warming"-why?-because-i-said-so-and-i-can-say-anthing-i-want-to-and-get-away-with-it-because-the-Media-loves-me")Clinton would approve.

Animal:

You could ask the citizens of the Ukraine in the 1930's, or perhaps some Soviet Jews(if you can find any), about  the "communist Soviet view" towards other "races".

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2001, 06:00:00 AM »
Cabby - for the record: the Jews and Ukrainians are of the same race as the Russians. Thinking about it - I suspect you are of the very same race (white Caucasian, right?  ;)).

Anti-semitic purges in the 30s and then late 40s and 50s in teh former USSR have about as much in common with race as anti-communist histeria in the States in the same era. You find a bad guy and you blaim everything under the sun on him/his kind. Easy, eh?

Staga rather craftily omitted the key work from his quote: Stalinist. The web page is referring to the readings from a Stalinist textbook for 7th Graders. The guy's dead - God curse his soul. Leave him be.

Are you saying that western school teachers didn't hit children in the 30s and 40s? roadkill. They did. Fact is the corporal punishment was abolished quite recently. Loving school? Listen to The Wall.  Back in those times there was no compulsory education and many were too poor to send children to school. Same goes for racial segregation in the American South etc etc.

 
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Lots of other examples. It's nice that they learned English - and ALSO the true nature of the western world   :D
It's quite ironic Staga that you hit it right on the nail. only you should have used was rather than is... You know, to keep it in it's appropriate historic timeframe  ;)

Animal - 20-odd years ago the was no issue with blacks in Russia, there were very few of them around. Asians - depended on where you lived. In many places people lived happily (that is with no problems/tension/conflicts) and never thought about it. I personally was lucky enough not to get in other places ;).

There was an issue with University placements whereby minorities would get a preferential treatment. (Everyone had to sit entrance exams to get into the Uni, there was no standards set and in some places the competition was fierce and the exam levels were set very high.) It pissed the lot of people off when they were killing themselves trying to get in and others were... just accepted... Hope this helps :)

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2001, 10:34:00 AM »
Capitalism is the exploitation of one man by another. Communism is the reverse.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2001, 11:15:00 AM »
My favourite example of cultural and lingual differences is the useage of the word "black".

In Russian Africans are called "Негр" - "Negr". While the "politically-correct" word "black" ("черный", "chorniy") is an offencive nickname for people from Caucasus, Georgians, Armenians, Chechens etc.

My last experience with black people was very strange and funny. I was standing at the Festivalnaya str. at the Rechnoy Vokzal underground, waiting for a friend on a car to pick me up. A black man comes to me and in broken Russian asks for some change, all standard phrases about nowhere to live and nothing to drink. I told him that i'll give him a few coins if he'll tell me where he's from. I gave him a pocket full of coins, maybe 15 roubles. He said he's from Vilnus!

About textbooks. I studied in a "specialised" school, we had English since second grade, and used different books then ordinary schools. There was not much about social and racial problems of the West there. Much more classical literature and modern non-social fiction. Dikkens, Pamela Travers, Cronin, traditional fairy-tales, etc. We had to prepare so-callled "topics", usually about English-speaking countries and their history, in surprisingly warm and positive mood. Like sightseeing in London or Washington, American and British political systems with all their advantages, stories about people like John Paul Jones and George Washington.

In 8th grade on an exam I got the text to translate, a story about a coloured girl who couldn't get into the college because she was coloured. It took me 20 minutes to understand what "coloured" means: we never used this word in our classes.

Maybe my experience is not a good example. I studied in an "elite" school, and had a completely different programm of English... I was one of the few persons who have chosen Engineering instead of humanitarian studies after I graduated.

Regarding Soviet Jews: my class was at least 30% Jewish.

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2001, 05:41:00 AM »
Boroda - the website refers to Stalinist era text book...

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2001, 05:47:00 AM »
I read that site  :)

My point is that I don't know exactly what was in ordinary school English textbooks in the 80-s... Just tried to give an idea of my own education. I think that this "happy" attitude towards "potential enemy" (as US and NATO were called in "initial military training" classes) changed a lot in the last 12 years. It's probably what Miko calls "cultural changes".