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Offline Goth

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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2006, 09:42:17 PM »
I doubt it's either pity or joy you feel about #2's death, it's probably more of a relief feeling. I had those feelings years ago with a totally unrelated situation and had the same question. After much introspection I realized I had carried too much responsibility when in actuality I had no control over the situation.

Hang in there man, you're human. It's ok to question feelings, and as someone else said it leads to the path of self discovery and awareness.

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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2006, 10:11:14 PM »
Drug dealers are scum, no sympathy for them at all
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 10:12:30 PM »
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I hope he does too...  I have many more friends hooked on the stuff.  Dunno if any of you read the articles, but they listed "30."  I know a good portion of them, and truth be told, I expect to have to update this thread every two months.  Apparently they've all reached a point where they have to up their doses or something, because as it stands every week I get a call saying "so and so's in the hospital again" or "so and so got arrested again."

They're really running a race to prison here.  The whole trick is, can they survive long enough to get locked up?

But what can I do?  I take one of them up to the family house on Lake Champlain to get him out there fishing and having clean fun, and I would like to bring him every weekend, but then again I don't want him to remember how to get there, either.  So now I'm basically taking him out locally every weekend, trying to turn him into a drunk :rolleyes:

It's tough trying to help friends with a heroin addiction.  But then again, one of these kids (the one I'm trying to help) really was a stand up guy before he got into this mess.  It would be a real shame to lose him. :(


Now, imagine we legalize all drugs...that'd fix the problem, wouldn't it? (Sarcasm)

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2006, 10:25:44 PM »
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Now, imagine we legalize all drugs...that'd fix the problem, wouldn't it? (Sarcasm)


I've never really been one for legalizing all drugs.  Might be nice to legalize a few so we could concentrate on crushing the serious problem ones, though.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2006, 10:27:57 PM »
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I've never really been one for legalizing all drugs.  Might be nice to legalize a few so we could concentrate on crushing the serious problem ones, though.
I don't have a prob with legalizing small amounts of pot just to clear the prisons out of low-risk offenders to make room for the real slim.

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 10:31:51 PM »
First of all, Vudak, it's nobody's business to tell you how to mourn, or even if you should. Your natural reaction is your natural reaction, and it's perfectly human and A-Okay.

I hesitate to write about this stuff because it's not exactly something to be proud of. By far. It's embarrassing. And it's deadly serious, which tends to bum people out. It shocks me to this very day. Probably always will.

Casual party conversation never leaves me with the desire to respond: "You think telling your boss that, dammit, you quit, is crazy? Try jamming the umpteenth dirty needle in your arm and then shootin' the syringe straight up to make blood designs on the ceiling the night before the landlord comes by for inspections." Try mentioning that your girlfriend wore out all of her veins, and begged you - crying - to shoot her in the neck. Try telling them that you did - because you understood - and that she immediately went unconscious and that you hurriedly finished off your own rig before calling an ambulance because once the ambulance came, the gig was up.

(she recovered, mid-dial, and we went to bed like nothing happened, only to do it all over again another day).

It makes me want to throw up just writing about it. And that wasn't near the worst of it. Not by half.

It's a whole nuther world. Addicts call people like you and me now "Normies."

Normies are people who know how to exist within the parameters of a civilized society. They go to school, then graduate, get a job, get married, have kids, pay bills, take their kids to Disneyland, retire. Normal stuff..... which seems utterly absurd and unappealing to anyone with a drug problem.

Because the best voodoo hypnotizing techniques and the bloodiest torture chambers in Syria haven't got a thing on that first, second, third, and 400th blast of heroin. I did triple that.

You begin to lie to yourself like you never could to anyone else. It becomes your world as familiar and as solid as your closest friends and your loving but bewildered family. The catch being that you give both of those up for it without a thought.

There's the odd gnawing empty feeling, but overall, you don't care one bit. By that time you're used to gnawing empty feelings and you know exactly how to alleviate them.

Now, everything out there becomes alien, uncomfortable, and undesirable. Your health, plans, and passions are of such unconcern. You wake up in the morning praying to god that you woke up after the dealers did....... because it's no fun waiting a couple of hours for them to deliver. That just meant two hours in the middle of a beautiful July morning freezing and puking in the toilet.

Sounds fun, right?

But we'd wake up, day in and day out, to do it all over again, and again, and again.

Any one of you might say "That's retarded." And you'd be right. But you wouldn't be addicted to heroin if you did.

It's just insane....

How does one overcome it? That's a fantastic question, because not I nor any professional I've met knows the answer to that. They know what tends to work, and they do an amazing job. And for anyone with a shred of hope left, the sight of that rope is a godsend.

There was alotta commotion when I outed myself with this problem here on the BBS a few years ago. And once again I tearfully give my thanks to Funked who drilled it into my head that there was no substitute for going to rehab. I'd heard of, like, Betty Ford and stuff, but I never did make the connection. I really had no idea that there are clinics and organizations and people out there who could help me with this.

Anyways.... I wrote a post here saying that (woohoo!) I was on my 3rd day of being clean, though a wreck, and that I was toughing it out. What a naive.... dumb thing to say, looking back. And the following two weeks were spent in a daze of drug use harder than before.

Uhm.... I'm getting a bit tired of talking about this. I'll pick up the rest soon. Maybe in a couple of days (it's funny now to say that it probably won't happen tomorrow because I've got a golf tournament, lol), but if the mood doesn't strike me later on tonight, I'll wrap it up over the weekend.

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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2006, 10:39:13 PM »
Nash, I've said harsh things in the past to you, and I apologize for that. That must have hell.  I'm glad you are among the living.  I think you're still a nutter for your beliefs, but I have alot of respect for you being able to quit that crap.

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2006, 10:41:31 PM »
Nash, I really, truly appreciate your taking the time to type this.  Because I really didn't have much of an idea what it was like, and it's pretty impossible to try and help someone when you have no idea what it's like.

Hell, I probably can't help them, anyway.  But they're worth a try (or ten).

Once again, thank you VERY MUCH.

And I'm glad to find out there ARE people who pulled themselves out of this hell hole.  

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2006, 11:44:55 PM »
Vudak, if you ever find yourself in that situation again(you doubtfuly will), do yourself a favor and make no compromises to get each and everyone of your friends, or your kids' friends, or whatever, off the habit.  TBH I only skimmed your story because it reminds me of what I went thru and all it does is piss me off.
The difference between those friends I managed to 'save' and those that stuck to it is like night and day.  
I don't want to take the credit for them now being radiant with health instead of pitiless pushers, homeless wraiths, or just locked up, because it really was just a matter of rekindling what they knew was in them.. but you really owe it to yourself to treat them no worse than you would yourself, if you were your own guardian angel.
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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2006, 11:51:24 PM »
well if you were supposed to feel bad then your brain would tell you, but if your not, nothing to worry about...as you all know brain is what makes you do everything and im not going to explain further....if you were truly sad you would be but since your not thats ok, you just didnt really care for the guy, or its the fact he died from drugs thats making your brain think like that...like i said if your not sad dont worry about it. it does not make you evil or that doesnt make it wrong, it just means you dont feel sad for him...alot of people will do this at least once in their life time...

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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2006, 12:00:42 AM »
im late in here but my view is simple.


indivdual #2 should have been the one that OD'ed first and helped clean up individual #1 with his death. #2 sounds like a coward who could not face his own addiction alone, and had to drag #1 with him.

#1 should have been strong enough to say no to #2.

sad but dont let anyone tell you you should feel anything other than you do. not ever.  sometimes with people you really love change your ways because its worth it, but in most of life i'll trust my very first instict in any situation.
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2006, 12:02:54 AM »
Nash,

We have disagreed on many things , I may not like you or some of what you have to say but I can certainly say I have absolute respect for your having accomplished getting clean.
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2006, 12:57:05 AM »
I reacted the same way a few months ago, under much different circumstances, however.  I don't think you should feel a thing at all from his death.  If he didn't mean anything to you, why should it?


I'll give you a for keeping your head out of the clouds though.  While the majority of my friends and classmates feel they need to drink, have sex, smoke, do drugs etc. i'm doing just fine without thank you, so I know your position.  Stay strong, sorry about your friend.
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