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Offline StSanta

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« on: July 31, 2006, 09:06:15 AM »
News link here

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Six people dead. 8 onboard, the Twin Otter can take 20. Fire in right engine according to witnesses. Jump door was 'probably' open (located on left side of fuselage, towards the rear). Dash 20 engines from what I've heard.

Just plain sucks. :(

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 10:04:49 AM »
Yup, I saw that yesterday. Tragic.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2006, 02:43:32 PM »
Shame they didn't gain enough alt for the jumpers to get out.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2006, 03:19:22 PM »
It happened here in my town. I was 2 streets over from the crash, but left about an hour before it went in.

The heat index was about 105-110, and just brutal in the sun. The pilot was very experienced. But I wonder if the heat was a factor?

From the local interviews with the witnesses, he lost both engines, and was in a glide when it went in. One witness reported the right engine on fire when it took off. He made a right turn to the north, to try and get back to the airport. Makes sense if you lose the right engine. Seems to have lost the other engine sometime after that.

Looked like he was aiming for a very small field, just a few yards from where he went in. The field was way too small to land in, from what I saw. He didn't have many options at all.

The pilot lived very near to where the plane went in.

The sky on the weekends is filled with parachutes around here. I hope it continues to be that way.

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2006, 07:47:13 PM »
Whats the absolute minimum altitude for a parachute to open?  Its ironic that a plane full of sky-divers would die in a controlled plane crash.

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2006, 11:06:13 PM »
Give me 1000 feet and I'll happily get out the door. I'll go straight to the reserve as it's built and packed to open fast.

Below 1000 feet it may be better to stay in the plane. Not all jumpers will have time to get out and if they try there might be CG issues that definitely won't help the pilot maintain control.

I now read that the speculation is that it hit powerlines before hitting the pole, and that both engines were out.

Sure would like to know just what went wrong here. We have a very experienced pilot, a lightly loaded twin turbine and decent weather conditions.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 02:24:41 AM »
Seems to me everytime I hear of an Otter going down right after takeoff it's bad fuel related.  Hate hearing this kinda thing.  Man, it sucks real bad...

Back in the day at Skydive Spaceland they had a Twin Otter.  Used to get Wuffo rides in it.  Brings back great memories.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 02:32:35 AM »
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Whats the absolute minimum altitude for a parachute to open?  Its ironic that a plane full of sky-divers would die in a controlled plane crash.


On a lighter note, the press was covering an 'incident'  which happened at Skydive Texel in the Netherlands 2 weeks ago: the turbine of the Caravan flamed out at 9,000 ft , all the passengers exited and the pilot returned and made a deadstick landing.

I quote the journalist: "...Fortunately, all the skydivers were equipped with parachutes..." :rolleyes:


In the present case, I believe that the engine problem happened right after takeoff. I don't think that the plane went above 300 ft.
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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2006, 04:18:43 AM »
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Whats the absolute minimum altitude for a parachute to open?  Its ironic that a plane full of sky-divers would die in a controlled plane crash.


Somebody base jumped inside the Astrodome, 208 ft (75M) but that was a static line under perfect conditions.
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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2006, 04:31:59 AM »
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Somebody base jumped inside the Astrodome, 208 ft (75M) but that was a static line under perfect conditions.


Yes, and using BASE canopies, packed slider down.

BASE canopies are made of F-111 fabric and are designed for quick inflation. They're rectangular in shape and a lot bigger than normal reserves, usually around 240 square feet. My reserve is 106 square feet, so less than half the size of a normal sized BASE canopy.

The 'slider' is a piece of cloth that is connected to the lines going up from the risers. It serves to slow down the deployment speed to survivable levels - very important if you're at terminal velocity. Skydive canopies are always packed "slider up" - that is, with the slider up right against the slider stops on the canopy, all the way up the lines. The slider then rides down the lines as the canopy deploys, slowing the deployment down.

If you either remove the slider or pack the canopy "slider down", it won't slow down the deployment. Great for sub-terminal jumps, say 3-5 seconds of freefall. Doing it on a terminal velocity jump will result in Instant-Canopy-Over-Your-Head and will mess up both the canopy and the jumper.

BASE canopies can be safely jumped from very low heights. Skydiving canopies, even reserves, need more time and altitude to function properly.

There simply was neither time nor altitude for these jumpers to get out of the plane