Author Topic: Murtha Being Sued for defimation (Read 770 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #15 on:** August 02, 2006, 01:17:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
I would like to think that the decent men and women of the USMC would consider not harboring those who allegedly commit murder under the auspices of the Corps.

it's akin to protecting the Mafia cops in New Jersey, or the scumbag soldier who allegedly raped the teenager then allegedly murdered her family. You think those scum deserve to wear the uniform, and be awarded the same right, priviliges, and benefits to the people who actually bring honor to the USMC?

Or is by calling out the bad apples, a sissy thing to do?

Calling out bad apples? Again you've allready tried and convicted them have you? No one wants to defend or justify their actions most of us just want them to get a fair trial.....and yes this is what seperates us from our enemys is we punish those that commit war crimes. Unlike those that we fight this is the exception and not the rule.

Of course they could just be innocent and the American media with the help of Rep. Murtha could just hang them out to dry. That's the decent thing to do huh?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 02, 2006, 01:25:54 PM »

Can we sue the marines for defaming our country by committing atrocities in our name?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** August 02, 2006, 02:07:10 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Can we sue the marines for defaming our country by committing atrocities in our name?

Individuals, I would say HELL YA, SUE THEM!

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** August 02, 2006, 02:14:33 PM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Can we sue the marines for defaming our country by committing atrocities in our name?

Sure, you might want to wait until AFTER the trial though. Just FYI they havn't even been charged yet.

Of course its blathering and media attention that probably made the Corps overeact in the case of The camp pendelton 8

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The men are in solitary confinement, locked in 8'x8' cells at San Diego's Camp Pendleton, as investigators probe an April 26 incident involving the 3rd Battalion, 5th Regiment, 1st Marine Division. They are behind bars 23 hours a day; family members can only see them through inch-thick Plexiglas. Military blabbermouths have told the press that the service members are suspected of kidnapping and shooting a man in the Iraqi town of Hamdaniya. The Iraqi man's family reportedly came forward seeking payment for his death as media hysteria set in over the separate alleged atrocity in Haditha.

WITHOUT EVEN BEING CHARGED!

As of july 11th they'd been in solitary confinment for 60 days.

Maverick · « **Reply #19 on:** August 02, 2006, 02:28:42 PM »

Murtha screwed up. If all he had done was state that there are allegations of such and such attrocity or criminal acts and called for an official investigation no one could touch him for that. Instead before the investigation has been completed he has already pronounced guilt.

Shamus · « **Reply #20 on:** August 02, 2006, 09:21:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Sure, you might want to wait until AFTER the trial though. Just FYI they havn't even been charged yet.

Of course its blathering and media attention that probably made the Corps overeact in the case of The camp pendelton 8

WITHOUT EVEN BEING CHARGED!

As of july 11th they'd been in solitary confinment for 60 days.

This is why its not a good idea to get the public used to and accepting throwing ANYONE in jail without charges in this country, you never know when its gonna turn and bite you in the arse.

shamus

Toad · « **Reply #21 on:** August 02, 2006, 09:39:45 PM »

Yer right Shamus. I agree.

I wonder if the ACLU will take the case?

No, I don't.

EzzyDuzIt · « **Reply #22 on:** August 02, 2006, 11:12:37 PM »

it's almost like according to the media if your in the military and get

accused of a crime you are guilty until proven innocent.

not innocent until proven guilty

Edbert1 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 03, 2006, 07:56:22 AM »

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Originally posted by EzzyDuzIt
it's almost like according to the media if your in the military and get

accused of a crime you are guilty until proven innocent.

not innocent until proven guilty

...and if you drown your own children in their bathtub you are innocent even though you admit to doing it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 03, 2006, 08:24:23 AM »

heard a good interview with sorros on npr of all things... even they got fed up with his bs by the end... he says his big thing is to try to get it so that just a few people can't influence the government so much... he does this byu spending 25 million for kerries pres run.

By spending millions to take away citizens 2nd amendment rights....

He claims that he has to do this because his views won't be heard otherwise.. but... he is against it for groups like the NRA..

weird little nutcase.

lazs

EzzyDuzIt · « **Reply #25 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:37:35 AM »

edbert, what you described is completly different from the

marines "case". Murtha and the media were calling the marines murderers

before an investigation had even started.

they assumed they were guilty.

that meens they were thought to be guilty until proven inncoent

Gunslinger · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:59:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
...and if you drown your own children in their bathtub you are innocent even though you admit to doing it.

She got a trial and it was a mistrial. her second time around she plead not guilty for reasons of insanity (wich sounds right in this case)

I don't pitty her but she is sick. It's just ashame that she didn't get the help she needed before she committed that hanus act.

The Marines in question havn't got a trial.....and havn't even been charged. They still have to go through an art 31 hearing to get a charged. Before the ink was even layed out on the investigation let alone dry Murtha goes and finds the first camera he can and calls them murderers. I think they are completly justified in sueing him. His comments do nothing but further his political agenda.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2006, 11:11:50 AM »

I know it is different, I just added that for the "media is calling them guilty" angle someone was making. I don't want to hijack this thread with the specifics of the Yates case. I just find it enraging when someone who is guilty by their own admission gets called innocent (by any reasoning whatsoever), those two words (guilty and innocent) mean things, and the meanings are completely skewed by our media/culture.

It is part of the dictatorship of the lexicon if you ask me, when they can literally change the meanings of simple words and have folks scratch their chins to figure out what the definition of "is" is then we are all in trouble.

DYNAMITE · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2006, 11:28:22 AM »

How is this possibly defamation of character???

Murtha never once mentioned any of the Marines in question by name... in my book Murtha is in the clear, but that's just my opinion.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2006, 11:54:46 AM »

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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
How is this possibly defamation of character???

Murtha never once mentioned any of the Marines in question by name... in my book Murtha is in the clear, but that's just my opinion.

Doesn't matter, he mentioned a specific group involved in a specific incident.