Author Topic: Total war tactics vs Current limited engagement tactics (Read 1346 times)

AWMac · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:42:31 AM »

Ya just can't downright Nuke Mecca.....

You have to wait til Ramada when Mecca is packed then Nuke it to get the full effect.

Just Kidding....

Mac

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:41:30 AM »

You guys might be kidding, but think about it.

Who in their right mind in the world would **** with us if we're willing to return that damage a million fold?

And here's an interesting little factoid. It is said that 10% of the muslim population is extremist to the point of killing all infidels without a second thought. There are 1.2 billion muslims in the world. You do the math.

Toad · « **Reply #47 on:** August 06, 2006, 11:33:20 AM »

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You guys might be kidding, but think about it.

Who in their right mind in the world would **** with us if we're willing to return that damage a million fold?

This is a wild guess, but I think it would be the same type of Muslims that strap on dynamite belts and walk into pizza parlors to blow themselves up. Or the kind that will study how to fly a jet long just long enough to fly one into a building.

As your math indicates, there doesn't seem to be a worldwide shortage of those.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 06, 2006, 11:41:43 AM »

You're not getting it. If these people are crazy enough to kill people, how fanatic do you think they will be if their ultimate holy place will be destroyed if they do? I think those that are even half way fanatic would keep the fully whacko in check.

Toad · « **Reply #49 on:** August 06, 2006, 11:56:28 AM »

Actually, I think you're not getting it.

There will be those who would welcome the destruction of Mecca, thinking it would unite all Muslims in the Final Jihad against the Infidels.

And the idea that the 'normal' Muslims, facing a threat to Mecca, would suddenly hunt down the whackos and render them harmless in some fashion is unrealistic. It would only take one whacko to set your scenario in motion; there's no way the 'normal' ones could neutralize every single whacko.

Shifty · « **Reply #50 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:25:03 PM »

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It would only take one whacko to set your scenario in motion; there's no way the 'normal' ones could neutralize every single whacko.

So if we cannot do away with the radicals , because if they feel threatened they will spur on the non-radicals. We can't have peace because non Muslims must be converted or killed according to the radicals.

Then it looks as if the only option is a Jihad on Islam. So back to square one,,,, nuke em. If radical muslims cannot leave the rest of us alone there is only one answer.......... It's really simple.... Ethier we convert or die or we nuke their butts into a distant memory. They don't care about our women and children , so no need to get squeemish about theirs. The fact that we even discuss the ethics of war puts us at a disadvantage against them.

AWMac · « **Reply #51 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:26:00 PM »

Trying to think of when the last an Islamic Extremist Cleric straped on a bomb to declare Martydom...the term "Practice what you Preach comes to mind"...

On the opposite coin, I can not remember when a Jew strapped on a body bomb and walked into a Berlin Disco to detonate and prove a point

Mac

Toad · « **Reply #52 on:** August 06, 2006, 12:40:42 PM »

While it may give one a boost to vocalize such sentitments, I think you know it's simply not workable in the reality of living in the world.

If the US were to

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nuke their butts into a distant memory.

there would be a resulting effect.

First of all, you'd NEVER get all of them. They're in every country, even those with whom we are allied. The surviving radical elements would be even more determined, more motivated to return the blow in kind.

Beyond that, how would the rest of the world react/interact with a nation that nuked 20% of the world preemptively? Who would want anything at all to do with the US?

Shifty · « **Reply #53 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:04:33 PM »

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While it may give one a boost to vocalize such sentitments, I think you know it's simply not workable in the reality of living in the world.

If the US were to

there would be a resulting effect.

First of all, you'd NEVER get all of them. They're in every country, even those with whom we are allied. The surviving radical elements would be even more determined, more motivated to return the blow in kind.

Beyond that, how would the rest of the world react/interact with a nation that nuked 20% of the world preemptively? Who would want anything at all to do with the US?

You'd get enough of them. Who wants anything to do with the US now? We ethier get the blame for the worlds problems , or are expect to pay the bill for them. My question is why does the US want anything to do with the rest of the world?

Maverick · « **Reply #54 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:25:46 PM »

Shifty,

Well all politics and emotion aside I would suggest that trade is one issue that the US wants to remain in contact with the rest of the world. The US doesn't make everything or have everything necessary to maintain or increase our technologically based lifestyle.

Shifty · « **Reply #55 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:32:12 PM »

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Shifty,

Well all politics and emotion aside I would suggest that trade is one issue that the US wants to remain in contact with the rest of the world. The US doesn't make everything or have everything necessary to maintain or increase our technologically based lifestyle.

You make your suggestions, and I'll make mine.

Toad · « **Reply #56 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:34:44 PM »

Suggestions are easy; so are flights of fancy.

Maverick · « **Reply #57 on:** August 06, 2006, 01:37:57 PM »

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You'd get enough of them. Who wants anything to do with the US now? We ethier get the blame for the worlds problems , or are expect to pay the bill for them. My question is why does the US want anything to do with the rest of the world?

Shifty,

As the above quote shows, you asked a question. I answered with what is primarily the most cogent answer based on the interests of the US, money and maintaining the present standard of living.

Think about it, the military situation is not the only one that the US cares about. Look at your commercial goods that you yourself use every day. How many have come directly from US manufacture?

Don't like it? Too bad, as that happens to be reality in todays world. The US and virtually (if not) every other industrialized nation on earth is interelated on trade alone as they are NOT self sufficient at their current standard of living.

Shifty · « **Reply #58 on:** August 06, 2006, 02:08:04 PM »

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Don't like it? Too bad, as that happens to be reality in todays world. The US and virtually (if not) every other industrialized nation on earth is interelated on trade alone as they are NOT self sufficient at their current standard of living.

Too bad for who? That means the rest of the world needs us at least as bad as we need them. What's too bad is as usual the debate has gone into reasons why we have to put up attacks from Islamic radicals. Because we might anger the rest of the world.

The truth is not one nation on earth needs Islamic radicals, or the terror they spread. Rid the world of them as fast as possible with extreme prejudice. If the world hates us, for it...... They'll forgive soon enough. In fact it may be suprising how many applaud the action.

What I suggest will never happen. The Islamic radicals will go on terrorizing the rest of us. We'll continue to live in fear because we're afraid of who we'll piss off.

Like you said Mav. "Too Bad"

Maverick · « **Reply #59 on:** August 06, 2006, 02:24:32 PM »

You are inferring much that was neither stated or implied in my posts. I answered a single question you posed and gave you a simple answer. If you don't comprehend economics and global interactions it will be futile to try to continue to discuss it with you.