Author Topic: Motorcycle helmet law? (Read 3265 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #60 on:** August 07, 2006, 06:55:01 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Actually Virgil, it's not so clear cut or as bad as you think. The majority of motorcycle riders in bad accidents with helments tend to live on only with life support. While you're still alive, they're pretty much only keeping your organs flowing. And while this is happening, you are costing your family and your estate thousands of dollars.

If you're in a bad accident without a helmet, you simply die. No medical bills.

I'm still waiting to see your source on this. Just thought you might have forgotten to post it and I'd remind ya of it.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #61 on:** August 07, 2006, 07:09:07 PM »

Maverick you dont really believe in the nonsens he wrote?
Its like driving cars and use the throttle instead of the brake pedal
to get 100% sure you die in the accident.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #62 on:** August 07, 2006, 08:32:33 PM »

It's simple to prove. Do you honestly think that legislators give two ****s about what we think or what we want?

Thus, the cause of these laws have to come from somewhere else. It's easy to understand that it would come from insurance companies. Insurance is a business, the purpose of a business is to make money. Hence, the only reason they would have backed this proposal is to make mmore money.

That logic is a killer, huh fellas?

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 07, 2006, 11:11:23 PM »

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Originally posted by bj229r
Any kid in my neighborhood who wore a bicycle helmet woud have had his *** kicked daily:rofl

Leading causes of death in the United States - all ages, all races, both sexes

The 10 leading causes of death accounted for about 79 percent of all deaths occurring in the United States in 2002. The top two causes, Diseases of heart (heart disease) and Malignant neoplasms (cancer), accounted for more than one-half (51.3 percent) of all deaths in 2002. The rank order remained unchanged from 2001.

Top 10 Causes of Death - US
1.Diseases of Heart 28.5%
2.Malignant Neoplasms (cancer) 22.8%
3.Cerebrovascular Diseases (stroke) 6.7%
4.Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 5.1%
5.Accidents 4.4%
Motor Vehicle Traffic Accidents (41% of all accidents)
Poisoning (16% of all accidents)
Fall (15% of all accidents) 6.Diabetes Mellitus 3.0%
7.Influenza and Pneumonia 2.7%
8.Alzheimer's Disease 2.4%
9.Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis (kidney diseases) 1.7%
10.Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4%
---All Others 21.4%

http://www.statisticstop10.com/Causes_of_Death_in_US.html

As I said, if they REALLY want to save people, fat people eating bad stuff and smoking would save a LOT more than seat belts (hence, insurance money)

interesting stats but what would be, imo, more accurate on the subject would be death in the age group 16-55 years old. I guarntee you disease and sickness rates deaths would go down. while others would rise.

Lasorsailor, now i have no degree in economics but of course insurance compaines want seatbelts. That way they wouldn't have to pay millions a year on life insurance for people who died in car accidents. It is really sad.

I haven't really taken the time to think about seatbelts because i haven't needed to. It was never a question to me. Always buckle up. I have friends who don't wear them all the time. I am blessed to have parents who trained me well. I intend to pass it on to my kids when i have them. I know i don't have to worry about being in a car accident when i have one. Not if i have one, but when. Everyone will be in a car accident at somepoint in your life. Just like motorcycles. It is best to be prepared. And if like you said lasorsailor the insurance compaines realized this first. Then for whatever reason maybe they should be viewed as the dirty heavens we think they are. Although they are still bad.

ok rant donte for the tird time in this thread.

Maverick · « **Reply #64 on:** August 08, 2006, 01:22:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
Maverick you dont really believe in the nonsens he wrote?
Its like driving cars and use the throttle instead of the brake pedal
to get 100% sure you die in the accident.

Ghost,

I know better than the stuff he dropped. I just gave him the chance to stand by it and he can't.

I spent a lot of time doing the investigation for folks who screwed up in the street. Some of them never got to do anything again.

I got asked several times by folks who weren't wearing a helmet if I was going to tell them they should wear one. I just pointed out that there was a teaching hopsital in town that did quite a few transplants and there were quite a few folks who could really use the parts. I also told them that if they didn't think their head was worth the price of a helmet I wasn't going to tell them it was.

If a driver is over 18 it was their head, their choice. I've gone to too many collisions, seen more than my share of folks who made their choices and found what the results were.

I'm not interested in trying to save the world. The world doesn't want to be saved and will actually fight you for trying.

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** August 08, 2006, 08:19:41 AM »

yeah dago you tell those idiots that would ask for freedom of choice where your money is concerned... Next they will want to own guns and endanger us all eh? If you made everyone wear a nomex firesuit and helmet in their car it would save you money too eh?

sandie... I agree with you... If I am in your car you have the right to tell me to wear a seatbelt.

How it shakes out for me is... In my Lincoln town car.... I don't wear the seatbelt. In both of my Hot Rods I wear the lap belts. As unlikely as it is that I will ever get into an accident where a seatbelt will do me any good.... It is about 10 times more likely to happen in 12 second cars.

Dago is not young but he has bought into the propoganda... He thinks he is gonna get something if he forces others to do something he likes to do anyway... He will get lower insurance rates... Of course.. that is not true... he never got a break when the laws went into effect. And now... he is accepting that freedom does not count when money is involved.

You should not be able to vote on seatbelts or helmets and the government should not have the right to make you wear em.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 08, 2006, 08:24:50 AM »

mav... do you think that bikers who don't wear a helmet do not do so because they can't afford one? Maybe people who don't wear seatbelts don't do so because they forgot or... can't figure out how to use em?

Wouldn't a better way to save money and lives be to simply ban motorcyles... banning swimming would save us a bundle too. They allready ban swimming without a life jacket in some areas here in kalifornia... keep your eyes out folks... that is a law coming to a town near you.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #67 on:** August 08, 2006, 09:14:16 AM »

I will never understand why people who dont ride motorcycles care if those that do ride motorcycles wear a helmet or not.

Almost to the point where they get pissed off at the site of someone not wearing one.

Just seems rather silly to me.
Worry about your own life.

and let the ones doing the riding decide if they choose to wear one or not.

That being said.
In really bad accidents, all the helmet does is preserve something to look at in the coffin

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #68 on:** August 08, 2006, 09:16:20 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
mav... do you think that bikers who don't wear a helmet do not do so because they can't afford one? Maybe people who don't wear seatbelts don't do so because they forgot or... can't figure out how to use em?

Wouldn't a better way to save money and lives be to simply ban motorcyles... banning swimming would save us a bundle too. They allready ban swimming without a life jacket in some areas here in kalifornia... keep your eyes out folks... that is a law coming to a town near you.

lazs

I dont and wont wear a seatbelt. I hate the damn things or anything else that feels restrictive on me to the point I dont even wear a chain on my neck or a ring on any of my fingers cept on special occasions.

I'd rather just pay the ticket

Jackal1 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 08, 2006, 09:49:04 AM »

Chip........chip.....chip.... ...chip...chip.
That`s the sound of your freedom and personal choice being slowly chipped away, a little at a time.
The only way it will stop is for you to put a stop to it.
It never comes head on. It just won`t work that way. Even the nanny worshipers have enough sense to see it if it is done head on.
It always comes a little at a time. You have to look for it. First of all you have to care enough to look for it.
The only other way it will stop is if you hand it over and give up your rights freely.
I`m not willingly handing mine over.
Noone knows what`s best for you other than you.

and Dago...........

Your examples above are pretty graphic and heart wrenching.................... .but they certainly don`t make the case.................even taking that stance.
I can tell you about one of my best friends dieing last year. He was killed by his own seat belt. (This can go either way. It`s not black and white)
I can also tell you about a some instances where helmets have snapped necks by hanging up in a crash.
The thing is.........it`s not about that. It is about personal choice and freedom.
I was a member and worked with Texas A.B.A.T.E. for quite a few years. Quite an eye opener.
If you wish to wear a helmet and the law don`t require it..............you can still do so.
The "it costs society" argument is so ludicrous that it is nearly laughable.
That dog won`t hunt.

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How about this, if you don't wear a helmet, and you suffer a serious accident, you just get euthanized or arrival at the hospital?

I especialy like this little jewel.
Let`s reverse that.........How about the cage driver that put them in the hospital by having their head where the sun don`t shine treated the same way. (Which is usualy the case on highway accidents) Think that flys? ......Me either, but it makes a lot more sense than your statement.
But officer..........I didn`t see the motorcycle. I was on the cell phone. I was adjusting the radio. I was putting on makeup. I was reading and practicing my meeting presentation................. .Pick one.

If anything should be under scrutiny, it`s not this issue, but the question of.....Should you be qualified to operate a motor vehicle of any kind before you are allowed to drive?

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #70 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:22:05 AM »

heh now this thread turned into Helmet can kill you and Seatbelts too!
nice one ;)

shooter1cac · « **Reply #71 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:40:07 AM »

The thing about the helmet law is this...it is MY head, MY life, and MY family. I do not need nor want anyone taking yet another personal liberty away from me. I live in NC, and this state requires a helmet. And it pisses me off everytime I get on my bike to know that "the state" cares so much about my health and my family..then hike up taxes to the point we are barely getting by...put an extremely high gas tax on per dollar to fix the roads...then let the roads fall apart...run a water line by my house and tell me to either use it or not...but I'm still gonna pay for it...tax the local commercial fisherman to the point of bankrupting them , etc etc etc.

Helmet laws are just another example of the safety nazi's in action. If I have to wear a helmet on my bike..then I think everyone in a car should have to too. Why? Because people still die of head injuries in auto accidents. Oh..also old people should have to wear helmets. Old people may slip and fall and hit there head..causing them to be injured. Also small kids...you know how toddlers are always falling down...they should have to wear a full face helmet and a padded suit...wouldn't want a kid to fall and get a bruise now would we? And lets not forget folks who play PC video games...especially flight sims...they could lean back in their chair...tip over and fall and possibly hit their head on some foreign object...like the family cat...and give themselves brain damage. So I will make a new law. From this day forward everyone who plays AH who has a family cat MUST wear a helmet when they play. If they do not...then they must do like a motorcyclist must do..pay me (I'm playing the role of the state here!) $75.00 for every infraction. Why? Because it is now a law..and that's the fee I'm gonna charge. No penalties on your license or against your insurance...but I want my $75.00 NOW!!!

Yes I'm bitter..I can ride 15 minutes away from my house and hit the SC line and pop my helmet off and ride in comfort all day.
And before ANYONE uses that friggin' HURT report please take the time to READ that piece of garbage before quoting it.

Hawklore · « **Reply #72 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:51:29 AM »

When it comes to motorcycle or bicycle helmets..

If your wearing one and wreck, I'm gonna do all I can to stop and assist you.

If your not wearing a helmet, screw you, your asking for death.

Chairboy · « **Reply #73 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:57:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Hawklore
When it comes to motorcycle or bicycle helmets..

If your wearing one and wreck, I'm gonna do all I can to stop and assist you.

If your not wearing a helmet, screw you

It's good to know exactly where your compassion begins and ends. Most folks won't do you the courtesy of telling you exactly what standards they require before they extend basic human courtesies.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #74 on:** August 08, 2006, 11:59:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
heh now this thread turned into Helmet can kill you and Seatbelts too!
nice one

Swoooosh! Low flyer and you missed it.
No, the point is examples on either side of the fence can go two ways.
It`s about personal freedom and rights...........and how willing or not you are to giving them up and placing your choices in the hands of others.
I can understand how you can`t relate though.
Helmet laws are a sham. So are seatbelt laws.

How would you feel about laws that states you can only drive your vehicle on say....every other day acording to your BD or license number, etc?
Then how would you feel ,from that point, if it was changed to you can only drive it on Mondays and Fridays?
Then to one day a week?
How much of freedom are the nanny worshipers willing to give up..........or to what extremes are they willing to go to in order to cover their shame and wimpiness of willingly handing their freedom and a say in their very own lives over to others?
Some have handed their freedom over already to a great extent. The rest are being taken away bit by bit with no opposition and people from those countries are still trying to make excuses and saying everything is cool.

There are always two sides to every coin, but if you are afraid to look at the other side because you have been indoctrinated into believing you shouldn`t.....or you are afraid it would reveal just how much of a chump you have been, you will never see it and never admit it. Understandable for the weak and for those that have been had.