Lieberman

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Yeager
of that 60%, what amount would unilaterally withdraw all forces from Iraq, leaving the nation open to subversion and invasion from Iran?

If its 60% then I would support national suicide.

"Sixty-one percent, however, said they believed at least some U.S. troops should be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of the year. Of those, 26 percent said they would favor the withdrawal of all troops, while 35 percent said not all troops should be withdrawn. Another 34 percent said they believed the current level of troops in Iraq should be maintained."

[lukster]

Originally posted by Sandman
"Sixty percent of Americans oppose the U.S. war in Iraq, the highest number since polling on the subject began with the commencement of the war in March 2003, according to poll results and trends released Wednesday."

I know what the article title said. It's the specific poll question that gives this indication that is lacking. They list others that might imply their conclusion but I'm not inclined to trust CNN (or any other poll source for that matter).

They said 36% supported the war. Are they implying that the other 64% don't by that statement. We really need to see the whole question don't we? It could haved said "Do you support the war indefinitely or do you want to see an end to it?" No where in there is there the question "Are you opposed to the war in Iraq?" as the title claims.



I think every news source that publishes the results of a poll should also publish the poll questions in their entirety.

[Maverick]

Before I put any trust in a poll I want to see the questions and the process of analysis. While it may be true that figures don't lie, liars do figure. By simply phrasing questions in a, shall we say, creative manner, you can make a poll look like anything you want.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lukster
I think every news source that publishes the results of a poll should also publish the poll questions in their entirety.

I agree completely.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Maverick
Before I put any trust in a poll I want to see the questions and the process of analysis. While it may be true that figures don't lie, liars do figure. By simply phrasing questions in a, shall we say, creative manner, you can make a poll look like anything you want.

There's going to be another poll in November.

[Shuckins]

Sandman,

If I'm interpreting the results of the poll you quoted correctly, about a third of the electorate are riding the fence on the issue of troop withdrawals, wanting some to be withdrawn but realizing the necessity of maintaing a troop presence in Iraq, at least for the short term.

What happens between now and the end of the year could tilt them either way.

Despite Democratic hopes for a watershed election in November, the ideological split between Americans remains intact.  I predict we will see a Congress split right down the middle, with Democrats controling one house, and the Republicans controlling the other, and continued bad feelings all around.

Regards, Shuckins

[LePaul]

Can you imagine how WW2 would be with today's media?  Can you imagine the reports of casualties on D-Day?  We'd have the media insisting we leave poor, misunderstood Hitler alone!

Watch the local news, then multiply that a few thousand times.  60% want us out?  So?  Do 80% KNOW where Iraq is on a map?

Thanks but I'll leave the pull out strategies on Iraq in the hands of the generals that are there.

[cav58d]

LePaul...I totally agree...I was a Political Science major, and considered writing my senior thesis on the roll of the media, and how it is expansion is changing war...

Imagine what the bleeding heart liberals would scream if they saw the entire city of Tokyo in flames in real time????  Thank God the technology wasn't available because the outcome of the war may have been very different

[Shifty]

When it comes to polls it's just not safe to say a certain percentage of Americans believe X or Y . That's not true , it is true of the percentage of those polled believe X or Y. Plus like Maverick put it.... The phrasing of the question can do wonders for a poll.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Shifty
When it comes to polls it's just not safe to say a certain percentage of Americans believe X or Y . That's not true , it is true of the percentage of those polled believe X or Y. Plus like Maverick put it.... The phrasing of the question can do wonders for a poll.

That's true

I was getting polled weekly for 2 years by zogby.  While it was always a secure website/textual kind of thing, its interesting when you are polled on the phone...and the "tones" the pollsters give.

[RedTop]

"Sixty percent of Americans oppose the U.S. war in Iraq, the highest number since polling on the subject began with the commencement of the war in March 2003, according to poll results and trends released Wednesday."

It's prolly more like 40 percent. The other 20 percent of that poll are just following along cause they're trying to get laid by one of the other 40 percent.

[bj229r]

heeh Ann Coulter's take on the situation:

In Tuesday's primary, Connecticut Democrats dumped Joe Lieberman, an 18-year incumbent, because he supports the war on terrorism. This is the same Joe Lieberman who voted against all the Bush tax cuts, against banning same-sex marriage, against banning partial-birth abortion, against the confirmation of Judge Alito, against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in favor of the Kyoto accords. Oh yes, this was also the same Joe Lieberman who was the Democrats' own vice presidential candidate six years ago.

Despite all this, Connecticut Democrats preferred stalwart anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, great-nephew of Corliss Lamont, WASP plutocrat fund-raiser for Stalin. Lamont's main political asset is that he is a walking, breathing argument in favor of a massive inheritance tax. His plan for fighting the terrorists is to enact a single-payer government health plan and universal pre-K education programs. His goal is to unite the "cut" and "run" wings of his party into one glorious coalition.
 

[lasersailor184]

It's looking like the Democratic Party is going to make the war in Iraq the "issue" for the 2006 and 2008 elections. His views don't seem consistent with the party's views and he's losing their endorsement. That's all there is.

A lot of communists outside of the US make the war in Iraq their primary issue, and they most often then not win their elections, even if their country isn't remotely involved in the war.

[lukster]

Originally posted by LePaul
That's true

I was getting polled weekly for 2 years by zogby.  While it was always a secure website/textual kind of thing, its interesting when you are polled on the phone...and the "tones" the pollsters give.

I've been polled a few times via phone. They never accept your alternative answer but will repeat the question endlessy, if a bit irritatedly.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Abe Lincoln
You can fool all of the people some of the time. You can fool some of the people all of the time. But, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.