Bush approval rating at 33%

[rpm]

Originally posted by bj229r
I'd ask how Reagan was worse than Carter, but probably a waste of time:O

Maybe it's the negotiating with terrorists thing. You know, arms for hostages. Carter stood his ground on that one for 444 days.

[Shuckins]

Yep, the nation's economy really did suffer under Reagan didn't it.

[rpm]

Wow, from the looks of those spiffy charts, Bush senior was the worst of all time. Guess the apple does'nt fall far from the tree after all.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Gentlemen, I'm a little dissapointed that you guys are lacking in the history department.


While Lincoln was freeing the slaves, he committed the biggest personal rights violation out of all the presidents.

He suspended Habeus Corpus.  That means that you no longer have a right to a speedy trial, nor do you have to be charged with anything to be held.  

What Bush is doing to the islamofascists isn't nearly as bad.  Bush is charging them with crimes, but also milking for information and taking his sweet time to push the charges through.

Lincoln would gather US citizens (on both sides) and hold them with no intention of ever charging them, just because he felt like it.


Oh, and FDR gathered up Americans of Japanese descent and did the same thing.

He suspended Habeus Corpus, he did not erradicate it.  Given that that war was actually being fought full-scale on our soil, I'd argue it was justified.

[Shuckins]

Hey rpm...tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't Carter and his people claim credit for negotiating the release of the Iranian embassy hostages on the day that Reagan was inauguraged?

I also seem to remember that there was a television movie made about Carter's administration negotiating their release.  How could they do that if they weren't "negotiating" with the terrorists?



As far as the charts go, one could interpret them to read that the downturn in the economy that began in the early 90s didn't begin to return to Reagan era levels until 1994, when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress.

[rpm]

Shukins, don't get me wrong. I'm not praising Carter, just trying to answer the earlier question.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Hey rpm...tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't Carter and his people claim credit for negotiating the release of the Iranian embassy hostages on the day that Reagan was inauguraged?

I also seem to remember that there was a television movie made about Carter's administration negotiating their release.  How could they do that if they weren't "negotiating" with the terrorists?

You may want to ask Nash about that.   He seems to have some inside information about that deal.  But he'll tell you it was Bush 41, not Carter.

[PonyDriver]

Maybe it's the negotiating with terrorists thing. You know, arms for hostages. Carter stood his ground on that one for 444 days.

I wonder of the author of this really believes it.   *snicker*

[Rolex]

The deal for releasing the hostages was settled during the Carter administration. The Iranians waited until after the inauguration as a last tweaking of President Carter's nose. It would not have mattered if Mickey Mouse was being sworn in that day.

To Carter's credit, the hostages were released. The entire situation would have been just as difficult for any president.

I was never a supporter of Carter and his domestic policies in particular, but his determination to get the hostages released unharmed was a success that he deserves paise for.

No president or person in history has been successful or right in everything they did or tried to do.

[Yeager]

I had family in the USAF during the Carter years and the general feeling at the time was that deep cuts to the military budget and general inpet oversight of the military by the Carter administration had a direct role in the failure at Desert One.  To his credit, Carter took full responsibility for that failure and the loss of eight brave servicemen.  Had the mission gone forward and progressed to the actual rescue stage who knows what would have happened.  Maybe Carter just lucked out of a really bad initial decision to attempt the rescue in the first place.  Hundreds if not thousands of Iranians and many, if not all the hostages could have died along with a large number of US forces.  Yeah....Carter lucked out, the eight brave servicemen who perished at Desert One did not.  Their sacrifice is well remembered by me.

Carter was and is a fine person and humanitarian, but as a President he was an abject failure in every respect.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Worst president ever?

No, No, No! He's the best evar!!

[Sixpence]

lol Shuckins, you fail to point to charts of the national debt during Reagan. You give me a blank check and I can put up charts like that too. I also didn't like having my SS payment quadrupled, then told we didn't need SS. If we didn't need it, why did you quadruple my payment??? Oh, that's right , he took the money and used it to fill in holes in his budget, then said he didn't raise taxes! But I wouldn't call Reagan the worst, he lifted the country up when we really needed it. Aside from his economic policy, I really liked him.

But Bush, I mean, wow, how does he do it? He spends like no liberal dem ever dreamed of, they must be so jealous! You can debate the war all you want, but how can you defend his spending? There are too many lobbyists who have too much influence with too many ties to corporations, who want too much federal money thrown their way(corporate welfare).

Worst ever? I haven't been alive for all of them so I can't say.

[PonyDriver]

consider him the worst of recent times (meaning the last 25 years or so). My dislike of Reagan is based on his domestic policy and especially his economic policy. There have been quite a few presidents who were worse than Reagan, just not as recently.

OK I just wanted to be clear on your thoughts.  I now know not to lend ant consideration or credence to anything you say, at least on this subject.  You're absolutely ignorant re this topic/Reagan.

[Toad]

I based my decision to leave a very promising Air Force career which had been a lifelong ambition up to that point and try to get an airline job when no airlines were hiring (early 1980's) on the expectation that Carter would win a second term.

Being in the military under Carter was so bad I could not stand it any longer.

I certainly miscalled that election! It all turned out OK though. I was one of a lucky few that got on with a major in 1980. Still, I wonder how things would have turned out in the AF sometimes.